Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then I misjudged the meaning of your statement, apologies.You're gonna need more convincing evidence than an aggressive argument -that we only saw a page of- for me not to give Odin 10/10 against Zeus.
The battles have varying degrees of difficulty but Odin will beat Zeus every single time as it stands. Anything that the Olympian can do, the All-Father can trump and do better.
Pre Pak, I would have agreed with you 100%, but Post Pak? I'm not so sure.
Originally posted by zopzop
Pre Pak, I would have agreed with you 100%, but Post Pak? I'm not so sure.
Pre or post Pak, the answer is still the same.
Under Pak, he temporarily dropped Galactus (While amped) and beat up Hulk. While that is more respect that Zeus has gotten in a few decades, it's still extremely meh.
I'm not going to use Zeus being owned by spear toss against him. I only bring this up because it was under Pak, but like I said, won't hold it against him.
Now that I think about it, all in all, Thor accumulated better feats during Chaos War than Zeus did under Pak's tenure. I find that kind of amusing for some reason.
She stalemated Norman Osborn's Iron Patriot in a blasting contest, might have gotten punked by a female sorcerer (Karnilla, Enchantress etc. one of those), and her most impressive showing has to be in that Hercules story. She trapped the Avengers (Giant Man, Black Widow, Death Cry, Jarvis and I think Quicksilver) in some kind of mystical bubble, not exactly the most impressive lineup and I think she jumped them but still. She also had a good showing against Hercules in that story, although he literally tanked everything she was throwing at him, was walking through her blasts and had just reached her as Zeus intervened.
Not a horrible track record but not a great one either. All in all, I agree, Thor or Loki should ruin her day.
Originally posted by hunbu04
Taking about feats Pluto have beaten hela on panel in the battle to claim odin soul. Hell Pluto have even beaten The Stranger on panel though the fight took place in Hades.
Loki is only a major player because of his brains but in a prep battle against Athena even Loki is over his head.
Pluto does gain the edge over Hela but he cheats. He outright says that there powers are too even and he himself cannot tip the balance in his favor, so he blasts the ground to summon a few minions to attack Hela. For some reason, she doesn't return the favor and then some (Hela showed she can summon entities who are alone more powerful than Pluto) but whatever, comics.
As a matter of fact, he ends up beating Thor in that comic by once again using strategy instead of fighting him straight up (He'd lose doing that based on their history). Thor recovers and IIRC starts beating on him though.
It's been a while but I do remember Pluto stalemating the Stranger by drawing on the power of his realm. An impressive showing I guess but it should be noted that Stranger purposefully forfeited that fight. He IIRC beat up the Defenders in that issue, at least I think he did.
I personally believe all the Death Gods (Hela, Mephisto, Pluto etc.) are intended to be peers based on their interactions with each other. That being said, they seem to fluctuate, and each of them has been on the receiving end of Thor at one time or another.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pre or post Pak, the answer is still the same.I'm not going to use Zeus being owned by spear toss against him. I only bring this up because it was under Pak, but like I said, won't hold it against him.
To be fair that was bit after wwh ended and when he started doing Hercules so you had his previous favorite and his seemingly new favorite Hulk and Hercules both have good showings and everyone else was pretty much window dressing.
He seemed to take a liking to Zeus a bit further down the road.
Originally posted by zopzopOdin looked equal to Zeus like they always do. Odin has more capabilities and has looked far more impressive in battle along wit being far wiser.
It more than that and you now it Quan. Odin was ADAMANT that they wipe the planet clean of humans to stop the Serpent from drawing his power from their fear. And Zeus wasn't going to allow that to happen because Olympus was currently residing on Earth.The matter was only settled when the other Skyfathers sided with Odin and said it was an internal Asgardian matter and if Olympus interfered the other pantheons would step in.
In this thread, Asgard doesn't have the other pantheons to back it up.
Asgard doesn't need other pantheons to back them up. In comics the pantheons sided with them but here they'd win on their own. Asgard is superior. If you don't like it and want to use horrible reasoning as your proof that's fine. Asgard wins. If Odin broke out the Destroyer armor he'd knife through olympus like a knife through butter.
Originally posted by hunbu04
Asgard need Olympus for back up when they attack the eternal in olympia. And the entire conflict were between olympians and eternal the only asgardian they show were odin beating thor so i am guessing all the asgardians were punk by eternals leaving it a battle between olympians and eternals.
Wow, talk about misinterpretation of events.
For the record, Asgard wasn't even rallied to the fight by Odin. And no, it wasn't for a lack of resources or formidability. Reading the comic always helps.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankFor it to be fair you have to leave certain players out. If Odin calls upon the Destroyer armor he'd solo.
I'm surprised people aren't mentioning some of the other players in Asgard, such as Karnilla for example. Or Malakith.People seem to think the only people worth a damn in Asgard are Thor, Loki, and Odin, and that's not true at all.
