Talisman & Shaman vs. John Constatine & Zatanna

I think the issue is that you'd have to go about explaining how John wins with prep instead of just that "he'd find a way".

He's a master manipulator, true, and can pit people against one another so that he holds the advantage, but a lot of his cunning and prep timed victory is usually context specific and scenario heavy.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That was in a few days, not one. As I mentioned if you give Batman prep whats to stop him just talking to the JLA and getting them to fight for him? Can't do that.

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I heard the second time was a random encounter (FOF).

With those stips, Constantine might lose, but there a lot of times, where he's prepared for pretty much anything (as stated by him). He even carries a mini sun with him as he owned Andrew with it.

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think the issue is that you'd have to go about explaining how John wins with prep instead of just that "he'd find a way".

He's a master manipulator, true, and can pit people against one another so that he holds the advantage, but a lot of his cunning and prep timed victory is usually context specific and scenario heavy.

He's so cunning he made men kill themselves just by talking to them. 😉

Would the Spear of Destiny work?

Did a bit of research, and I believe it would be a good bet.

It should, as it has worked on Spectre but how is he going to get it in a day? We don't know who has it or where.

I believe Spectre had it last in Final Crisis.

Seeing as he knows how the rules to a T, he'd find a way to get it somehow.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Seeing as he knows how the rules to a T, he'd find a way to get it somehow.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think the issue is that you'd have to go about explaining how John wins with prep instead of just that "he'd find a way".

Z says ' Spear of Destiny, appear' backwards..

Hey, I've read worse deus ex machina plot developments lol

By stealing it or making a deal on whoever has it...like he has done in the past.

Tbh, it's not really a problem for Constantine to get his hands on anything....he has a plot device in the form of Z.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
By stealing it or making a deal on whoever has it...like he has done in the past.

In one day and they would automatically go for the spear of destiny? Naaaaaaaa.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Z says ' Spear of Destiny, appear' backwards..

Hey, I've read worse deus ex machina plot developments lol

Or the other team can do that themselves. Plus Talisman outright can cancel magic so literally could make Z powerless or use her magic to make her stronger.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbh, it's not really a problem for Constantine to get his hands on anything....he has a plot device in the form of Z.

One guy on another forum said COnstnatine hasn't really done anything. (LOL worthy). Another poster stated this...

??? Not done ANYTHING

He's beaten the first of the fallen (most powerful entity in hell) on his own several times (five or six).

He's bested Gabriel, who has fought Lucifer Morningstar to a standstill (on his own - using people who do so against there will is on your own and PREP)

He's bested the presence twice without help

He's bested many high level demons in hell also on his own.

These are the things he actually prepared for. Most of his encounters are impromptu where he just pulls of something he had prepared for that type of occasion. So yeah. He prepares for things with actually knowing they are going to happen> just like all the prep masters.

None of which matter, every prep master uses people to achieve things for them it's part of prep.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
In one day and they would automatically go for the spear of destiny? Naaaaaaaa.....

It took me a few hours to think of it. I'm no prepmaster - if you think I'm more cunning than Constantine, well, you do me honour, sir.

Or the other team can do that themselves. Plus Talisman outright can cancel magic so literally could make Z powerless or use her magic to make her stronger. [/B]

Would they know about the Spear? I thought it was very different in Marvel.

And I thought prep meant they showed up on the battlefield with it?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Would they know about the Spear? I thought it was very different in Marvel.

And I thought prep meant they showed up on the battlefield with it?

It is, team marvel could pull out an equally powerful weapon from the Marvel universe, but I seriously don't see them doing that in just a day nor would they automatically go to that great lengths nor do I see team DC doing that either as it's not in their character.

Yes they would show up with it.

Constantine would do anything to win, so I can see it. He's a cheap bastard.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Constantine would do anything to win, so I can see it. He's a cheap bastard.

In a meaningless fight that he doesn't have anything to gain from? Not really in character.

Shaman's pouch.

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But he doesn't really have anything to lose, either, by summoning it....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he doesn't really have anything to lose, either, by summoning it....

but why would he instantly go for it? Following that logic team marvel could gather the Infinity Gems forming the Infinty Gauntlet. Not really in character for either.

Plus Spectre currently has it I believe, and Constaine would need more then one day to steal it from him. Zee would be killed if he tried to steal it from him. He mentioned if he summoned him again he would kill her.

Dude, you're making this more difficult than it really is. Let's say Constantine wants to defeat Shaman so he can gain access to his pouch and learn the magic in Marvel ways. To gain more knowleadge. It's a battle board, man.