Talisman & Shaman vs. John Constatine & Zatanna

From the rules of the board....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Standard Equipment
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.
Beta Ray Bill would not have Scuttlebutt and Batman would not have the Batmobile, unless otherwise noted in the open post.

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

No outside help
Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels".

What your proposing or stated earlier is against the rules of the board. So since they have basic knowledge their automatically going to go for the Spear of Destiny, even though it's not in character nor is it reasonable or easy for them to get?

Hmm, basic knowleadge still might favor Constantine.

Not really, you could say it benefits the other team as well. It's just basic knowledge. So no as per the rules and in character Zee nor John are going for the Spear of Destiny. As I mentioned I could have Talisman and Shaman going for the Infinity Guantlet but I won't...as it's not in character and one day is not a lot of prep.

I'm sure Spectre owes him some favors. With the board rules, Constantine is in trouble. Without the rules, Constantine wins, IMO.

Ok show me where Spectre owes him favors.

Sure if you completly ignore his character

We'd be ignoring everyones character. Why would Shaman fight Constantine in the first place?

Originally posted by -K-M-
From the rules of the board....

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Excellent, let's play.

[b]Standard Equipment
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.

In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.
Beta Ray Bill would not have Scuttlebutt and Batman would not have the Batmobile, unless otherwise noted in the open post.

So....as per the rules, since someone like GL has access to the Watchtower, Zatanna and Constantine have access to anything they can reasonably obtain? So seeing as it Z, as long as she can reasonably get to them, she has it? Excellent. That shoudn't be too hard, as she can just collect things by saying it backwards.

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Even better. The general populace of Marvel would know of Shaman and Talisman, but the general populace of DC know Z as a stage magician, and nobody would know of Constantine. If anything, this plays into team DC's hands..

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels".

What your proposing or stated earlier is against the rules of the board. So since they have basic knowledge their automatically going to go for the Spear of Destiny, even though it's not in character nor is it reasonable or easy for them to get? [/B]

Constantine has sold his best friend to the Devil. Has bargained using his own niece's soul. Uses his only other friend left in the world, Chas, as bait. Not in character? He doesn't do magic for the good of mankind, he does it for the adrenaline rush. What better than to steal something from the Spectre?

Basic knowledge means that he knows Shaman is a member of Alpha Flight, a member of a top notch superhero team, and not one to be taken lightly. Basic knowledge of Constantine in the DC U is that he's a conman.

Actually, Zatanna has SUMMONED the Spectre before. In character feat. Spectre has the Spear of Destiny? Bad news for team 1, IMO.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....as per the rules, since someone like GL has access to the Watchtower, Zatanna and Constantine have access to anything they can reasonably obtain? So seeing as it Z, as long as she can reasonably get to them, she has it? Excellent. That shoudn't be too hard, as she can just collect things by saying it backwards.

She's not a JLA member and hasn't been for years so she WOULDN'T have access. Talisman on the other hand has shown the power to teleport an entire city with thousands of people into a different dimension. Also as I mentioned earlier the Void has millions of spills and artifacts at their fingertips. This seems to be ignored.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even better. The general populace of Marvel would know of Shaman and Talisman, but the general populace of DC know Z as a stage magician, and nobody would know of Constantine. If anything, this plays into team DC's hands..

No they ALL get basic knowledge of each other.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Constantine has sold his best friend to the Devil. Has bargained using his own niece's soul. Uses his only other friend left in the world, Chas, as bait. Not in character? He doesn't do magic for the good of mankind, he does it for the adrenaline rush. What better than to steal something from the Spectre?

Yeah all for personal gain, which he wouldn't get here. So no not in character

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basic knowledge means that he knows Shaman is a member of Alpha Flight, a member of a top notch superhero team, and not one to be taken lightly. Basic knowledge of Constantine in the DC U is that he's a conman.

No they would know more then, and Shaman isn't the most powerful here. Talisman is, she can control skyfather beings. Alpha Flight is far from well known if you go that route.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Actually, Zatanna has SUMMONED the Spectre before. In character feat. Spectre has the Spear of Destiny? Bad news for team 1, IMO.

Yeah I already mentioned it and he said if she tries that again he will kill her. Bwahaha no also rules of the board you can't do that as that is outside help.

Originally posted by -K-M-
She's not a JLA member and hasn't been for years so she WOULDN'T have access. Talisman on the other hand has shown the power to teleport an entire city with thousands of people into a different dimension. Also as I mentioned earlier the Void has millions of spills and artifacts at their fingertips. This seems to be ignored.

No they ALL get basic knowledge of each other.

In Marvel, Shaman/Talisman are both members of a public superhero team.

In DC, Z is known as a stage magician. The heroes know her as a bonafide magic user, but the general population think of her as David Copperfield. And the general population of DC don't know of John.

Yeah all for personal gain, which he wouldn't get here. So no not in character

No they would know more then, and Shaman isn't the most powerful here. Talisman is, she can control skyfather beings.

See above.

Yeah I already mentioned it and he said if she tries that again he will kill her. Bwahaha no also rules of the board you can't do that as that is outside help.

Not my point, so I cannot comment on Prep's. But I was not going to summon Spectre, merely summon the Spear.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I didn't limit her to the Watchtower - I meant ANYTHING, because for her, 'reasonable access' doesn't limit her at all. And no, I didn't ignore it - I didn't think it an issue, because the Spear is 'always on', so as soon as they enter the battlefield, they are negated.

No she can't go just anywhere, it HAS TO BE IN CHARACTER. You're not going for the spear as once again that is against the rules.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Please read the rules. It said:
A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows.

In Marvel, Shaman/Talisman are both members of a public superhero team.

In DC, Z is known as a stage magician. The heroes know her as a bonafide magic user, but the general population think of her as David Copperfield. And the general population of DC don't know of John.

I have read them and no as Digi mentioned the person who made the rules they get basic knowledge of each other.

Which they are not well known

Followng that logic, John and Zee have BOTH been part of the JLA. Far more mainstream then Alpha Flight

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, no. Not always for personal gain. Like when he angered the First of the Fallen over Brendan, his friend - he didn't gain anything from pissing him off.

Yet oncr again team marvel has done him no wrong, no cause for him to be angry and there is no personal gain. Your ignoring all their characters. Fine using your logic Team Marvel summons the Infinity Gauntlet

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not my point, so I cannot comment on Prep's. But I was not going to summon Spectre, merely summon the Spear.

As per the rules you can't do that, nor is it once again in character 😬 Fine following your logic Talisman summons Eternity and asks for help as she is his agent.

And it's in character of a high mage like Talisman attacking a con man with hardly any power of his own?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
And it's in character of a high mage like Talisman attacking a con man with hardly any power of his own?

As you said this is a battle thread and their meant to fight. Also she has knocked out "norms" before, especially when a team wants to fight them which Team DC would be doing here. Now you guys are being ridiculous 😬

But what does he have to gain?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
But what does he have to gain?

Nothing, it's a fight. Hence why they won't be going completly out of character and aquiring weapons and artifacts they have no way of getting or out of their character to try to get and as per the rules of the board....they won't be. 😬

Summon your spear, I'll summon the Infinity Gauntlet with your guys logic 🙄

Spear owns all.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No she can't go just anywhere, it HAS TO BE IN CHARACTER. You're not going for the spear as once again that is against the rules.

I have read them and no as Digi mentioned the person who made the rules they get basic knowledge of each other.

Which they are not well known

No, but at least they are known as heroes. Z is known as a performer and John isn't known at all.

Followng that logic, John and Zee have BOTH been part of the JLA.

Yet oncr again team marvel has done him no wrong, no cause for him to be angry and there is no personal gain. Your ignoring all their characters. Fine using your logic Team Marvel summons the Infinity Gauntlet

But if yes, if by losing all he loses is a slap on the wrist, then yeah, he'd just sit there, and roll over for them.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Spear owns all.

No it doesn't, nor has it shown the level of power the Gauntlet has. If that's not enough then they go to the Heart of the Universe 🙄

Originally posted by -K-M-
No it doesn't, nor has it shown the level of power the Gauntlet has. If that's not enough then they go to the Heart of the Universe 🙄

then...then....ARRGH!

Lol. Was a good fight, I think. Obv we will have to agree to disagree here!