Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because:A.) Given the potency of Doom's tech, I don't see Hank instantly hacking it before Doom counters. Most of Hank's best feats involving hacking required time.
B.) Doom's mystical prowess offers options beyond the realm of the physical and technological than Hank has no answers for. Hank can't hack magic spells or being bfred or having legions of Mindless Ones swarm him.
Doom not being overtly powerful in the sense of a high herald or trans level being doesn't effect his formidability at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Who are all these technopaths doom's armor repelled? I and you both know that hank can hack tech way higher than doom's armor almost instantly, let's not kid ourselves.
2. That's not what I asked. Magic isn't be all end all of these types of fights. What about hank blitzing doom.
Given how Doom's tech is interweaved with his magic and vice versa, I don't see Hank instantly hacking Doom ftw. Which specific tech that was way higher than Doom's did Henshaw hack almost instantly?
I didn't say magic was the ultimate trump card in these types of fights. Given Doom's power and knowledge of said magic, though, and Hank has nothing to defend against it, I'd say it's a pretty significant advantage. What about Doom's shields and armors and time platform and the fact that its not just them fighting each other?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Doom is clearly the weakest person on this field, of that, there can be no question. That doesn't mean he isn't an asset to team 1, he is, but that doesnt' change him being the least powerful.
Power and formidability are two very different things, which is what I've been getting along at this entire time.
Just because Doom might be in a lower "tier" than the others doesn't make him a weak link that will cost his team the fight. If anything, the unstable nature of Void is more of a liability than Doom.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Doom hijacked the power in a non battle scenerio, all Dooms becoming omnipotent required prep
Just like Henshaw required having to be forced into the Source Wall and spending time to meld a section of it to his liking is a non-battle scenario.
And this is assuming the fight goes in that specific route (ie. Henshaw vs. Doom) while the others brawl it out or whatever. There's too many variables for either team to assume that Hank instantly hacks Thanos or Doom instead of opting to attack them with his weapons or powers. And in a fight like this, I honestly don't see how Doom is a weak link when he can summon forces to fight for his team. Given the latest and most consistent showing of Mindless Ones, when summoned in legions they are enough to give almost any one pause.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI was talking about Apokolips.
Just like Henshaw required having to be forced into the Source Wall and spending time to meld a section of it to his liking is a non-battle scenario.And this is assuming the fight goes in that specific route (ie. Henshaw vs. Doom) while the others brawl it out or whatever. There's too many variables for either team to assume that Hank instantly hacks Thanos or Doom instead of opting to attack them with his weapons or powers. And in a fight like this, I honestly don't see how Doom is a weak link when he can summon forces to fight for his team. Given the latest and most consistent showing of Mindless Ones, when summoned in legions they are enough to give almost any one pause.
Pure fanboy speculation
Originally posted by Nihilist
I was talking about Apokolips.Pure fanboy speculation
Which is why you brought up the Source Wall feat like it mattered?
How is that speculation for me not to assume that Hank fights Doom or Thanos and attempts to hack them immeadiately when as a rule he uses his Kryptonian power set and weaponry to overpower his foes? How is it speculation for me to state that the Mindless Ones are a huge boon for the team should Doom summon them (which he's done on panel in battle at least twice)?
Hell, how is it speculation when I clearly stated that there are too many variables in this fight to assume that character x fights character z and uses battle tactic alpha? There's nothing fanboyish about it and certainly no speculation on my part to assume that these characters wouldn't fight in a detailed and specific matter to suit my argument.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Given how Doom's tech is interweaved with his magic and vice versa, I don't see Hank instantly hacking Doom ftw. Which specific tech that was way higher than Doom's did Henshaw hack almost instantly?I didn't say magic was the ultimate trump card in these types of fights. Given Doom's power and knowledge of said magic, though, and Hank has nothing to defend against it, I'd say it's a pretty significant advantage. What about Doom's shields and armors and time platform and the fact that its not just them fighting each other?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Was that Zero Hour Parallax?I thought that that just Parallax before tapping into entropic energies.
Originally posted by abhilegend
1. Again, what feat it does have against technopathy? Hank has hacked kryptonian, new god tech, oan and many others on a fly. Just because it has magic interwined doesn't auto proofs it against technopathy.
2. Actually he has, his weapons which can shield him against spells. How often does doom uses his time-plateform? Shields would be hacked via armor. C'mon jake, we're talking about the king of technopaths here.
A little unclear, but timing of publication would say it was zero hour parallax.
Considering his magic has been shown lately to be even more formidable than his tech (which speaks for itself), it's something worth considering outside of "Hank hacks him instantly ftw". Like I said in the Cyborg Superman vs. Dr. Doom thread before, maybe if Doom wasn't currently portrayed as an elite level mage who invokes magic as much, if not at times more so than his tech, would this be a clear cut victory for Henshaw.
Which weapons of Hanks shielded him against spells? He's used it several times as well as actual spells to invoke time travel. Doom also has mystical shields outside of his tech ones and his armor's durability. I'm well aware of Hank's status as a technopath. I'm also aware that there are six total participants in this match and it doesn't make sense to automatically assume Hank fights Doom, let alone instantly and automatically hacks him. It's a two way street here; one can't argue that Doom hasn't defended or faced against a technopath such as Hank Henshaw but not acknowledge that Hank Henshaw conversely hasn't faced an elite mage/genius who effortlessly melds tech and magic together.
It was an impressive durability feat to have Parallax, regardless of him being Zero Hour amped or not, shove his hands in his chest and still be kicking...making that control node showing complete and utter PIS.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering his magic has been shown lately to be even more formidable than his tech (which speaks for itself), it's something worth considering outside of "Hank hacks him instantly ftw". Like I said in the Cyborg Superman vs. Dr. Doom thread before, maybe if Doom wasn't currently portrayed as an elite level mage who invokes magic as much, if not at times more so than his tech, would this be a clear cut victory for Henshaw.Which weapons of Hanks shielded him against spells? He's used it several times as well as actual spells to invoke time travel. Doom also has mystical shields outside of his tech ones and his armor's durability. I'm well aware of Hank's status as a technopath. I'm also aware that there are six total participants in this match and it doesn't make sense to automatically assume Hank fights Doom, let alone instantly and automatically hacks him. It's a two way street here; one can't argue that Doom hasn't defended or faced against a technopath such as Hank Henshaw but not acknowledge that Hank Henshaw conversely hasn't faced an elite mage/genius who effortlessly melds tech and magic together.
It was an impressive durability feat to have Parallax, regardless of him being Zero Hour amped or not, shove his hands in his chest and still be kicking...making that control node showing complete and utter PIS.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magic just doesn't negates technopathy unless you have something that proves otherwise. You are just stalling the question. Are there any technopathy resisting feats from doom's armor or magic? You are basically saying that because doom knows MAGIC, MAGIC AND MAGIC he somehow negates hank's technopathy which till date has never been resisted before.
He can create metal shields to stop doom's magic spells before they hit him. We're assuming hank fights doom here. Hank has effortlessely hacked oan tech which melds emotional energies with tech and new god tech which melds the energies of The source which are something rarer than even magic+tech. Why again he can't hack doom's armor? Eh, that's superman.
I'm not stalling anything. And again, this is a two-way street. You can't arbitrarily yell "Technopathy HACK HACK HACK" and not give me any examples of Henshaw resisting magic and in the same breath act like Doom's magic isn't an asset here. Otherwise we're going to be debating in circles and going nowhere. If you can't see the irony in assuming the following, I can't help you:
A.) Hank will fight Doom one on one and not take on Void or Thanos
B.) Hank will immediately hack Doom's tech instead of fighting him straight up as he's prone to do
C.) Doom's magic will be ineffective
Why should we assume Hank fights Doom at all and not Thanos or Void? Why should we assume that Hank instantly goes for hacking an unknown enemy? Why should we assume that Doom's magic is a non-factor here, both offensively, defensively, and in the role of support casting? Assuming a clear cut scenario in a fight this potentially open ending is retarded.
That control node showing is PIS through and through. It coming from Superman doesn't make it okay.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not stalling anything. And again, this is a two-way street. You can't arbitrarily yell "Technopathy HACK HACK HACK" and not give me any examples of Henshaw resisting magic and in the same breath act like Doom's magic isn't an asset here. Otherwise we're going to be debating in circles and going nowhere. If you can't see the irony in assuming the following, I can't help you:A.) Hank will fight Doom one on one and not take on Void or Thanos
B.) Hank will immediately hack Doom's tech instead of fighting him straight up as he's prone to do
C.) Doom's magic will be ineffectiveWhy should we assume Hank fights Doom at all and not Thanos or Void? Why should we assume that Hank instantly goes for hacking an unknown enemy? Why should we assume that Doom's magic is a non-factor here, both offensively, defensively, and in the role of support casting? Assuming a clear cut scenario in a fight this potentially open ending is retarded.
That control node showing is PIS through and through. It coming from Superman doesn't make it okay.