Near Death Experience (NDE) and the Bible · Religion Forum

JesusIsAlive Restricted

Originally posted by dadudemon
The New Testament also says that others will be saved by what laws they had to abide by. So there are definitely multiple ways of "salvation" as long as you live your life as you think is proper/moral. Could you really say God is omnibenevolent if only a few select lucky people were saved? Even Jesus Christ said the atonement was for everyone. 🙂
No, this is wrong. What Jesus Christ is saying is that everyone is saved by his atonement and no other. He is not saying that no other religious paths will lead to the Father in Heaven.

Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

No one comes to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is precisely what Jesus means.
No other religious paths will lead to the Father in Heaven.

So then I was correct in my inferring that this is what Jesus meant by that statement, in which case, I have to ask again: what other paths was he referring to?

JesusIsAlive Restricted

Originally posted by Mindship
So then I was correct in my inferring that this is what Jesus meant by that statement.

Well you seemed to imply that Jesus must have been aware of other paths to God the Father.

But this is false.

The Lord Jesus affirmed that He, and He alone (exclusively), is "the" Way--meaning the "only" Way to the Father in Heaven.

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.
No one comes to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The New Testament also says that others will be saved by what laws they had to abide by. So there are definitely multiple ways of "salvation" as long as you live your life as you think is proper/moral. Could you really say God is omnibenevolent if only a few select lucky people were saved? Even Jesus Christ said the atonement was for everyone. 🙂
No, this is wrong. What Jesus Christ is saying is that everyone is saved by his atonement and no other. He is not saying that no other religious paths will lead to the Father in Heaven.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well you seemed to imply that Jesus must have been aware of other paths to God the Father.
But this is false.

So he wasn't aware of other paths? Then how could he mean...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No other religious paths will lead to the Father in Heaven.

...unless he was referring to other paths which may later arise? (sorry, I don't mean to be dogged, I'm just trying to understand). In other words, Jesus was speaking proactively, as it were, not retroactively?

JesusIsAlive Restricted

Originally posted by Mindship
So he wasn't aware of other paths? Then how could he mean......unless he was referring to other paths which may later arise? (sorry, I don't mean to be dogged, I'm just trying to understand). In other words, Jesus was speaking proactively, as it were, not retroactively?

I don't know that the Lord necessarily spoke pro- or retroactively.

The Lord was just making it plain for Thomas and the rest of His disciples that He is the Way to His Father in Heaven.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't know that the Lord necessarily spoke pro- or retroactively.

I would think either would be well within God's abilities. But perhaps Jesus was simply referring to contemporary idol worship, eliminating the need for either pro or retro.

JesusIsAlive Restricted

Originally posted by Mindship
I would think either would be well within God's abilities. But perhaps Jesus was simply referring to contemporary idol worship, eliminating the need for either pro or retro.

Hopefully, I have sufficiently answered your original question.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Hopefully, I have sufficiently answered your original question.

H'm. I think more you were a sufficient catalyst such that I answered it for myself. 😉

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
H'm. I think more you were a sufficient catalyst such that I answered it for myself. 😉

What kind of cow did you call JIA? 😛

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What kind of cow did you call JIA? 😛

Stop. Please. I beg you.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
Stop. Please. I beg you.

Utterly impossible. 😛

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Utterly impossible. 😛

I surrender unconditionally.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Mindship
I surrender unconditionally.

You gotta be grazy!

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You gotta be grazy!

facepalm2

It was inevitable.

JesusIsAlive Restricted

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The people who had a NDE never died. They suffered a common hallucination that has more to do with the structure of the brain then life after death.

Prove it.

The burden of proof is on you.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo