Originally posted by abhilegendSurfer's speeding around blasting random ships and shit is about as relevant as Presence is to Surfer.
I said IF thor wanted, he's done it before on Presence. Surfer has speedblitzed someone? News to me.He was cut off from PC on skaar twice and drained in defenders v2 8. I haven't read that comic so can't tell.
Cut off isn't the same as being drained. And that was over ten years ago, and we don't know the context.
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisI assumed when you said anyone else, you meant every character on team one. But if you don't think she can beat Surfer (which I hope you do), then carry on.
I'd be curious to see where I said that. Are u implying that Bill can beat the Surfer... Because he can't.
What does Sersi do to Bill though?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer's speeding around blasting random ships and shit is about as relevant as Presence is to Surfer.
Also, I was talking about how in character it is, and Surfer zipping around spamming blasts isn't exactly you know... out of character.Cut off isn't the same as being drained. And that was over ten years ago, and we don't know the context.
I assumed when you said anyone else, you meant every character on team one. But if you don't think she can beat Surfer (which I hope you do), then carry on.
What does Sersi do to Bill though?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Surfer's speeding around blasting random ships and shit is about as relevant as Presence is to Surfer.
Also, I was talking about how in character it is, and Surfer zipping around spamming blasts isn't exactly you know... out of character.Cut off isn't the same as being drained. And that was over ten years ago, and we don't know the context.
I assumed when you said anyone else, you meant every character on team one. But if you don't think she can beat Surfer (which I hope you do), then carry on.
What does Sersi do to Bill though?
Well I started by saying thor takes on the surfer, then a couple of lines later said she beats anyone else.
What she do to bill? Im posting on my phone right now... I'll reply to that later on.
Originally posted by abhilegendDrawing in energy is different than draining a character.
Ok, thor drawing energy in mjolnir isn't OOC for him too. Surfer can zip around all he want. Its canon and unless surfer has some new showing where he resisted draining its all we have. Chain him in adamantium?
He resisted an energy vampire backed by Gladiator's power and many others, and the Uni-Power. And unless Surfer is just standing still as opposed to moving, and blocking with his board, he's not getting simply drained anymore... until Bendis gets his hands on him. I mean, the guy ****ing stopped a hammer swing. He's clearly a little more powerful now.
Bill loosens the chains IMO.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Drawing in energy is different than draining a character.He resisted an energy vampire backed by Gladiator's power and many others, and the Uni-Power. And unless Surfer is just standing still as opposed to moving, and blocking with his board, he's not getting simply drained anymore... until Bendis gets his hands on him. I mean, the guy ****ing stopped a hammer swing. He's clearly a little more powerful now.
Bill loosens the chains IMO.
I haven't read the comic, can you post the scans? Wow, gladiator's energy manipulation powers!! That's skyfather level feat right there.
You're in denial.uhuh
Injured thor. How does stopping a hammer swing automatically retcons all your low showings? Surfer has one of the worst records against draining.
What if the chain is around his dick?
Originally posted by abhilegendHe can do that. Doesn't really effect Surfer though.
That's all thor has to do to absorb surfer's cosmic blasts.I haven't read the comic, can you post the scans? Wow, gladiator's energy manipulation powers!! That's skyfather level feat right there.
You're in denial.uhuh
Injured thor. How does stopping a hammer swing automatically retcons all your low showings? Surfer has one of the worst records against draining.What if the chain is around his dick?
No. I don't have access to them currently.
Meh, he was backed by Glad's powers. Which would increase his own. It was mostly to show that Surfer is vastly more powerful than Glads.
"Injured" Thor who wasn't said to be weakened, and hit Galactus really really hard.
It doesn't, but it makes him seem more powerful. The only "recent" power draining caused the guy to get killed, and involved him getting cut off due to discs and the planet.
Power draining in a Thor vs Surfer thread is about as relevant as Surfer's telepathy.
He doesn't have a dick
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Silver Surfer vs Thor = Irrelevant. Neither will beat each other fast enough, so it's up to others to decide itGladiator vs Herc = Gladiator... pretty handily
Nova vs Loki = Decently long battle, so it's not the most relevant as well
Quasar vs Ares = Quasar smashes Ares
Beta Ray Bill vs Sersi = Beta fast enough to make a difference for his team
Ronan vs Ikaris = Pretty even fight
That leaves Glads, Beta, and Quasar to help out the others. Hell, even if just Quasar wins in the timeframe, it will lead to a win.
i agree with thor/ss. and quasar (who has an even better energy absorbing record than thor imo) drained a star's worth of energy from ss and ss DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE. 😐 so yeah, you're right--energy drain=useless. absorbing blasts would work, but that just leads to an extended battle.
loki/nova might be a good battle. depends on how loki fights and whether you believe he could/would transmute nova or bfr him. the battle could be over quick--in loki's favor. i don't really see nova beating him at all, though he could prolong it, depending.
quasar/ares--quasar pwns him pretty quick.
bill/sersi--again, depends on your view of transmuting. she once gave thor gills without a problem so i think it's not impossible to say her transumting abilities COULD affect bill. if so, she could take him, but not in a straight up fight. sersi in these forum battles in difficult to figure.
ronan\ikaris--ronan's pretty tough but i'd side with ikaris for a pretty solid majority. he has some pretty good feats back in the day. it wouldn't be an easy or fast fight though.
herc/glads--glads could win quick but only if he resorts to bfr which would be very easy, unless they're in a dome. glads could always fly and use his vision powers to win eventually. if he fights in a traditional sense, the battle would not be a short one at all imo and if he goes all prideful warrior and stays h2h, i'd take herc.
i'd still go annihilators due to the simply greater overall versatility. herc and ares are too one-dimensional. quasar could easily bfr either one of the them at the start. that would make the numbers advantage too great immediately. the only way the gods could win is if sersi can transmute them, but that tends to fall into the limitless fallacy very quickly and is always a route i'm afraid to travel too far down.....
so, yeah. we agree. just some differences in how it might come about. 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, thor drawing energy in mjolnir isn't OOC for him too. Surfer can zip around all he want. Context for defenders issue? Oh and panther also drained him. Its canon and unless surfer has some new showing where he resisted draining its all we have. Chain him in adamantium?
Iron Man has beaten SS by drainage of TPC too...
Originally posted by leonidasNova can teleport, and I believe he's got some resistance to transmutation as well (not sure on that).
loki/nova might be a good battle. depends on how loki fights and whether you believe he could/would transmute nova or bfr him. the battle could be over quick--in loki's favor. i don't really see nova beating him at all, though he could prolong it, depending.bill/sersi--again, depends on your view of transmuting. she once gave thor gills without a problem so i think it's not impossible to say her transumting abilities COULD affect bill. if so, she could take him, but not in a straight up fight. sersi in these forum battles in difficult to figure.
ronan\ikaris--ronan's pretty tough but i'd side with ikaris for a pretty solid majority. he has some pretty good feats back in the day. it wouldn't be an easy or fast fight though.
herc/glads--glads could win quick but only if he resorts to bfr which would be very easy, unless they're in a dome. glads could always fly and use his vision powers to win eventually. if he fights in a traditional sense, the battle would not be a short one at all imo and if he goes all prideful warrior and stays h2h, i'd take herc.
Ya, she's a pickle. I figure a ferocious Beta can get close enough to **** her up though.
No, it wouldn't be. I mean, Ronan's given fits to Surfer/Thor back in the day, so I figure he could hold Ikaris off long enough for someone to pass by and help him.
Meh, I figure if Glads can take him in a close fight as well. It's not that he doesn't have shit showings, it's that his higher end working together should be able to take out Herc. Even his durability when he's getting smashed is pretty high end. If he just throws him too, he can help out others.
Even if Beta and Glads can't win fast, Quasar is going to tear through Ares, which no other battle can make the same statement on either side. It makes it lopsided in an otherwise decently matched battle. Quasar is the trump card
Originally posted by abhilegend
I said IF thor wanted, he's done it before on Presence. Surfer has speedblitzed someone? News to me.He was cut off from PC on skaar twice and drained in defenders v2 8. I haven't read that comic so can't tell.
To me this is like saying if Surfer can turn Thor into a frog if he wanted to. Pure hypothetical with no practical.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nova can teleport, and I believe he's got some resistance to transmutation as well (not sure on that).Ya, she's a pickle. I figure a ferocious Beta can get close enough to **** her up though.
No, it wouldn't be. I mean, Ronan's given fits to Surfer/Thor back in the day, so I figure he could hold Ikaris off long enough for someone to pass by and help him.
Meh, I figure if Glads can take him in a close fight as well. It's not that he doesn't have shit showings, it's that his higher end working together should be able to take out Herc. Even his durability when he's getting smashed is pretty high end. If he just throws him too, he can help out others.
Even if Beta and Glads can't win fast, Quasar is going to tear through Ares, which no other battle can make the same statement on either side. It makes it lopsided in an otherwise decently matched battle. Quasar is the trump card
yeah, quasar seems to be the difference--the gods simply can't win enough 1on1 matches due to a lack of versatility. i've looked at a few other ways to match up, but no god can really get a stomp minus transmutation. i suppose loki could bfr glads immediately and maybe ronan (can't recall if he's shown teleporting.) having to resort to bfr to try and get some wins if kinda lame though. overall, i really can't see any way the gods can win.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Ronan is ****ed, so there's that. But all other members of Annihilators fly.
Wait, are you saying Ronan can't fly?
Team 1 takes this. Ronan, Gladiator, Quasar over Ares, Ikares, and Herc easily. All Nova, Surfer, and Bill has to due is stall their opponent long enough for their team to assist.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Wait, are you saying Ronan can't fly?Team 1 takes this. Ronan, Gladiator, Quasar over Ares, Ikares, and Herc easily. All Nova, Surfer, and Bill has to due is stall their opponent long enough for their team to assist.
Oh, I didn't even know that!
Oh well. I guess the gods get an ass-whoopin
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Silver Surfer vs Thor = Irrelevant. Neither will beat each other fast enough, so it's up to others to decide itGladiator vs Herc = Gladiator... pretty handily
Nova vs Loki = Decently long battle, so it's not the most relevant as well
Quasar vs Ares = Quasar smashes Ares
Beta Ray Bill vs Sersi = Beta fast enough to make a difference for his team
Ronan vs Ikaris = Pretty even fight
That leaves Glads, Beta, and Quasar to help out the others. Hell, even if just Quasar wins in the timeframe, it will lead to a win.
Kinda my thought process. There's very few matchup permutations where the gods win.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He can do that. Doesn't really effect Surfer though.No. I don't have access to them currently.
Meh, he was backed by Glad's powers. Which would increase his own. It was mostly to show that Surfer is vastly more powerful than Glads."Injured" Thor who wasn't said to be weakened, and hit Galactus really really hard.
It doesn't, but it makes him seem more powerful. The only "recent" power draining caused the guy to get killed, and involved him getting cut off due to discs and the planet.
Power draining in a Thor vs Surfer thread is about as relevant as Surfer's telepathy.He doesn't have a dick
There goes the spamming blast attack.
Sorry, can't say anything without reading the comic or scans.
He's already more powerful than gladiator, what's new?
He was injured and if it wasn't stated that he was full power than its automatically assumed that he was weakened. Hitting galactus hard means what exactly? Thor can hit hard while injured?
That's just an excuse. His entire history is canon and one ambiguous showing (according to me as I haven't seen it 😛) doesn't makes surfer somehow better against energy draining than he was in past.
Thor has resisted better telepaths than surfer though.
Sif is a total whore then.
Originally posted by leonidas
[B]i agree with thor/ss. and quasar (who has an even better energy absorbing record than thor imo) drained a star's worth of energy from ss and ss DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE. 😐 so yeah, you're right--energy drain=useless. absorbing blasts would work, but that just leads to an extended battle.
You talking about this
Well lets see how does surfer do against energy draining in general
Against Motherboard
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Against stranger
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Against demonstar
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Dynamo city
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Captain reptyl
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Some space pirates
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Dampyre
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Need more? These are just for starters.
Close fight, not sure who wins. On one hand, I think the Annihilators would probably win more individual match ups but Loki and Thor fighting side by side? I have a hard time picturing the Annihilators stopping them. Not sure even Surfer, Bill and Quasar together would beat that combination.
Also, the Annihilators is an atrocious name. Just horrible. Is that really the best DnA could come up with?
Originally posted by leonidas
she once gave thor gills without a problem
Issue number or scans? That's news to me.
