Originally posted by juggerman
Im not saying that Akuma isnt VERY impressive considering his feats. I just dont think he would be immune to the soul steal considering ive seen no evidence that he couls resist it at all.And i just realised i didnt retort to a comment Zero's. While it is very true that Shang has not been shown to use his soul steal until he has beaten his opponent ive never seen anything to say he is limited to doing it only that way. In fact it was stated in MK that Raiden in fact was protecting the souls of the Earthrealm warriors from being stolen which leads me to believe Shang could have taken them without Raiden's protection. Also im inclined to believe that since MK had to be a tournament that had he simply taken their souls from jump Outworld would have been disqualified since that would be against the rules and we all know that Shang feared Kahn's wrath enough to follow the rules
The evidence has been presented. As I said before, what you beleive is not relevant to the fact.
And not true, since if that where the case, nothing would have stopped him during Deadly Alliance. Yet he still had to fight even then.
Still no proof he cant have his soul ripped out i see.... Im done with you chump
I honestly dont know how to post anything. Its quite embarrassing in fact im not very computer savvy and can only use my work computer which has blocks on certain sites so it takes me longer to find things. My home computer isnt working right now so i cant just sit around at home figuring it out. Maybe you could teach me if i havent pi$$ed you off too much(in all seriousness) im a bit handicapped
I never said anyone in MK would speedblitz anyone in SF i said Kabal is very fast too yet there are MK people still well above him to show that SF speed wouldnt be the end all be all that you were claiming it to be
Jax and Stryker use guns yes. But when have they actually shot someone canonly? Never i would say so saying they use the guns in gameplay and the MK people arent fast enough to dodge them is unproven so yes i proved my point which was not that they could dodge bullets but that you cant prove they cant
What he did to an island and a sub doesnt mean he could do it to Bison. They are both extremely powerful but im not convinced Akuma is above him. Until Akuma beats Bison FAIRLY or beats someone who was too strong for Bison im not sure ill see it the way you do
You have to prove they can dodge bullets, not the other way around. Without evidence of them dodging bullets, we have no reason to believe they can dodge bullets.
The Bison thing doesn't even matter here. Can anyone on Team Mortal Kombat survive Akuma? Based on feats, no they can't.
I'm sure someone is willing to help you post things, if you're having trouble.
Originally posted by juggerman
Still no proof he cant have his soul ripped out i see.... Im done with you chump
Do you not have reading comprehension? I just bloody well explained to you exactly how he does it... if he can resist the power of his own attacks to not only rip the soul from his body and destroy it completely from his own attack, then Shang's power to do so is nowhere near enough to do so.
Originally posted by juggerman
I honestly dont know how to post anything. Its quite embarrassing in fact im not very computer savvy and can only use my work computer which has blocks on certain sites so it takes me longer to find things. My home computer isnt working right now so i cant just sit around at home figuring it out. Maybe you could teach me if i havent pi$$ed you off too much(in all seriousness) im a bit handicapped
Hmm... do you know how to link or use Photobucket?
Originally posted by juggerman
I never said anyone in MK would speedblitz anyone in SF i said Kabal is very fast too yet there are MK people still well above him to show that SF speed wouldnt be the end all be all that you were claiming it to be
That doesn't explain to me how the MKers get around the Sfers speed. And on top of this, Kabal doesn't have the other advantages that the SFers have in one package, since they all have high energy manip, and vast physical strength over him.
Originally posted by juggerman
Jax and Stryker use guns yes. But when have they actually shot someone canonly? Never i would say so saying they use the guns in gameplay and the MK people arent fast enough to dodge them is unproven so yes i proved my point which was not that they could dodge bullets but that you cant prove they cant
The fact that Jax used his gun in the Armageddon intro says otherwise... he got blindsided by Kahn though.
Besides, since it's up to you to prove a positive, you have to match the feat I presented. This is the way debates work, it is not logically possible to prove a negative, thus it is the onus of the one making a positive claim to provide evidence. I said that Ryu is capable of dodging bullet fire. Which he has. It is up to you to provide a similar or better speed and reaction feat for any member of the MK team to top it.
See how that works?
Originally posted by juggerman
What he did to an island and a sub doesnt mean he could do it to Bison. They are both extremely powerful but im not convinced Akuma is above him. Until Akuma beats Bison FAIRLY or beats someone who was too strong for Bison im not sure ill see it the way you do
Why sure it does. Akuma had no troubles actually hitting Bison in all their confrontations, and Akuma is the only one who posesses the technique that can ultimately do him in.
The win/loss records have Akuma defeating Gill, a being a full tier above Bison. And that was normal Akuma, not Shin, nor Oni, but regular Akuma.
i do not know how to use anything really im fairly new to this and havent had the time to figure it all out yet.
I believe Reptile dodged Strykers bullets in MK9 Story and since Reptile was pretty low on the MK9 totum pole id say bullets werent really an issue for them. Not saying as fast as SF but pretty fast i guess
The MKDA reference is pretty sound the only reason i can see that he didnt was that Raiden was still protecting thier souls or Shang was just a cocky mofo and wanted to beat them without it which is clearly CIS or PIS(not sure which one that would be) but im leaning toward the 1st one.
Jax didnt use his gun in that intro i just watched it
It looks like Akuma had to charge to use that monster attack. I dont think Bison with his teleporting ability would just stand around and wait to get his block knocked off. I didnt consider that Akuma wasnt at full strength so maybe im not giving him his proper due but i still think all Akuma did was attack and kill a unprepared advisary
In a straight/fair fight i think SF takes it but Shang wouldnt fight fair and with PIS and CIS off he would be a problem.
Plus lets assume for a moment Akumas soul cannot be stolen the rest of the team (both teams in fact) is not so lucky and their souls are his and with all that new fighting ability and power he could take Akuma.
Plus Shang has been shown to transform in to people and use their moves properly without having to take their soul first. If thats indeed the case then it could be Akuma vs Akuma tho id give the edge in this one to the actual Akuma since hed have more expirence using his own moves
Originally posted by juggerman
i do not know how to use anything really im fairly new to this and havent had the time to figure it all out yet.
This and this may help you out a little.
Originally posted by juggerman
I believe Reptile dodged Strykers bullets in MK9 Story and since Reptile was pretty low on the MK9 totum pole id say bullets werent really an issue for them. Not saying as fast as SF but pretty fast i guess
Well, in case point, a stage 1 Evil Ryu was able to deflect bullets with his bare skin in SF4 *shrugs*
Originally posted by juggerman
The MKDA reference is pretty sound the only reason i can see that he didnt was that Raiden was still protecting thier souls or Shang was just a cocky mofo and wanted to beat them without it which is clearly CIS or PIS(not sure which one that would be) but im leaning toward the 1st one.
However, it does mean that we still need proof that he can do that. We can't assume he can do it.
Originally posted by juggerman
Jax didnt use his gun in that intro i just watched it
I may have misremembered on that point, I think I saw it elsewhere. However, my point about the arrow and knifethrow is still there.
Originally posted by juggerman
It looks like Akuma had to charge to use that monster attack. I dont think Bison with his teleporting ability would just stand around and wait to get his block knocked off. I didnt consider that Akuma wasnt at full strength so maybe im not giving him his proper due but i still think all Akuma did was attack and kill a unprepared advisary
Nope, only the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan had even the remotest chargeup, and that is a super attack that is accessible anyways... The others didn't have the slightest startup, including the Seikia Kuretsuha, which is, of course, big enough to wipe out both teams at once.
Originally posted by juggerman
In a straight/fair fight i think SF takes it but Shang wouldnt fight fair and with PIS and CIS off he would be a problem.
Then again, so would Bison, and Akuma.
Originally posted by juggerman
Plus lets assume for a moment Akumas soul cannot be stolen the rest of the team (both teams in fact) is not so lucky and their souls are his and with all that new fighting ability and power he could take Akuma.
Can he actually do it before eating a face full of energy beam curtesy of Sekia Kuretsuha?
Originally posted by juggerman
Plus Shang has been shown to transform in to people and use their moves properly without having to take their soul first. If thats indeed the case then it could be Akuma vs Akuma tho id give the edge in this one to the actual Akuma since hed have more expirence using his own moves
Shang, from what I remember has difficulty emulating larger more powerful attacks, although that may be from the Machimania video I watched... 😕
Thank you ill check tho links out
The arrow and knife throw were from behind so the people didnt register them before they were hit. Cant really argue against Ryu being bulletproof tho
Yeah Bison and Akuma would be the biggest threats
I think a soul steal is the only real chance which is why i fought for it but outside that id hafta say SF
You are talking about Akuma, yet nobody from MK side is able to take on Bison. Tsung is just silly and not able to take opponent's souls unless they are defeated. Even if he could in some extreme case, he would be dead before he even tried that. Only Raiden stands a proper chance here, although he would most likely lose to Bison. Putting Akuma in SF team is silly considering that nobody could survive his SGS for example.
Originally posted by b64
You are talking about Akuma, yet nobody from MK side is able to take on Bison. Tsung is just silly and not able to take opponent's souls unless they are defeated. Even if he could in some extreme case, he would be dead before he even tried that. Only Raiden stands a proper chance here, although he would most likely lose to Bison. Putting Akuma in SF team is silly considering that nobody could survive his SGS for example.
I'm not sure why Gouki is the only comabatant on the SF side being discussed, either. Vega is every inch as poweful as Akuma is. Especially after it was recently revealed that it was SHIN Gouki who killed Vega in SFII.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
I'm not sure why Gouki is the only comabatant on the SF side being discussed, either. Vega is every inch as poweful as Akuma is. Especially after it was recently revealed that it was SHIN Gouki who killed Vega in SFII.
Err, no it wasn't. The concept of Shin Gouki didn't come out til SFA2. The entire point was that Bison was NOT as powerful as Akuma was the lynchpin in him being SF2's secret boss.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, no it wasn't. The concept of Shin Gouki didn't come out til SFA2. The entire point was that Bison was NOT as powerful as Akuma was the lynchpin in him being SF2's secret boss.
On the SF Anniversary website, it is said the SHIN Gouki originally appeared in SFII as the final boss. I had been reading SFII Gouki actually was Shin for years. I just hadn't known why the wikis and faqs kept making what appeared to be a baseless claim. Turned out, it wasn't.
SFII Vega, the weakest of his forms, isn't such a pushover after all.
There is actually a SLIGHT diffrence between normal Gouki and Shin Gouki, even in SFII and it can be seen, here.
