Originally posted by Jynocidus
...and what exactly would be necessary for Animal Man to pull a win here? 😎
If you think TOAA or LT (both merely just concepts withIN the Marvel omniverse) is superior to a comic book depiction of Grant Morrison himself, then you are nothing more but a troll in this forum.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonIf you think TOAA or LT (both merely just concepts withIN the Marvel omniverse) is superior to a comic book depiction of Grant Morrison himself, then you are nothing more but a troll in this forum.
okay, well that character gets banned if he has as much power as TOAA, who remind you is banned as per the stipulations.
no writers, or any of that CRAP
either way you look at it, put Morrisons character inside of this thread. Morrison isn't writing him, so I say he loses. he's nothing more than a fictional creation at this point
wanna use Morrison as an argument? what about when F4 met The Artist? What was NECESSARY for that to happen? What's Necessary for Morrison to live in this thread? lmao him coming here and trolling
btw, lol...at Morrison being TOAA, or any actual writer being TOAA. No character they write is TOAA just like you all argued down to me...
TOAA is based off the real TOAA. And when you get down to it, that's who LT serves. which is also completely irrelevant because all questionable omnipotent beings are banned.
So again...who wants some of LT?
Are you ready to admit that outside of any fictional concept based around an "omnipotent" being, LT is supreme in ALL of fiction?
not necessarily...
me personally, i'm willing to go that far and say he's the strongest in fiction that isn't for all intents and purposes "God." when you google strongest in fiction, people say TOAA more times than not, but there are many misguided opinions. either way, everything thing i'm saying now applies inside or outside of any company. there aren't many characters than embody necessity, judge the omniverse, and serve the TOAA
for this thread, in the rules we can only use comic related chars. of course barring said plot devices
i'm not scared to include the rest of fiction, believe me if i would i could.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygonIf you think TOAA or LT (both merely just concepts withIN the Marvel omniverse) is superior to a comic book depiction of Grant Morrison himself, then you are nothing more but a troll in this forum.
He has already made it clear that he believes the Living Tribunal exists in the real world and has power over all real people.
It's trolling of the worst kind.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
SpectreThe two Brothers.
All three have been shown on panel, in a comic, in the incredible storyline Marvel vs DC. :-p
Spectre, who is weaker than...the Presence (who isn't even omnipotent, was created by external forces)
teamed up with...
...two beings, who represent merely the parallel universes portrayed in the crossover? which isn't even the entirety of the actual continuity, because such events weren't even considered...canon?
i equate the two brothers as a fraction of a whole megaverse from each side. Just 2 slices from 2 entirely different pies.
Ontop of all of that, what was necessary for them to be able to cross over?
i'm glad I left TOAA out of this, there's so much other stuff that would be necessary to be 'omnipotent" when 2 companies side by side have supposed omnipotent beings, going entirely against definition and thus illogical
Originally posted by Cogito
He has already made it clear that he believes the Living Tribunal exists in the real world and has power over all real people.It's trolling of the worst kind.
If not the LT, then at least NECESSITY. you're trying to act like you don't NEED sleep....
at least my logic is credible. IF there's a real TOAA, one of its laws IS necessity, and you, myself, and anyone else on this site cannot escape it. no matter how hard you want to try and deny it
No no, he didn't team up with the brothers, he was equal to the LT.
On panel.
Sure, the story isn't canon to mainstream Marvel/DC. But I did ask if I could include anyone, and you responded as long as they were comic based. Also, your OP said:
you can consider bios, wikis...video game appearances, etc to support your claim.
So canonicity didn't need to be considered, unless you want to consider changing your own rules this late in the game? And in the incredible storyline, the LT was shown to be insignificant next to them. A mere speck.
Boom.
Despite Jynocidus' clear need for time off at a mental hospital, I propose WF Mxy.
By Jyno's admission, the Living Tribunal has absolute authority over all necessity, vengeance, and equity. As per those rules, WF Mxy has no need to do anything, as he just does whatever he wants when he wants to. He does nothing out of vengeance, but rather fun. To top it off, he clearly didn't give a shit about equity. Thus we have proved that WF Mxy was not held to the concepts of necessity, vengeance, and equity, and therefore is outside the realm of the Living Tribunal's power.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No no, he didn't team up with the brothers, he was equal to the LT.On panel.
Sure, the story isn't canon to mainstream Marvel/DC. But I did ask if I could include anyone, and you responded as long as they were comic based. Also, your OP said:
So canonicity didn't need to be considered, unless you want to consider changing your own rules this late in the game? And in the incredible storyline, the LT was shown to be insignificant next to them. A mere speck.
Boom.
i'm not going back on my word.
LT and Spectre solved the problem, they made the weak brothers form the amalgam universe. Making them ultimately greater than the brothers.
even then, canon or not, they're regarded as divergent universes. I don't thin 616 Storm remembers that particular encounter. And in the canon encounter JLA vs Avengers, any potentially eliminated plot devices like...speed force didn't work.
so what are you coming at me with?
Spectre may have been equal with LT in regards to a decision on what to do with DC, he's nowhere near equal regarding anything that could dictate his judgement against Spectre or anyone else you bring
Originally posted by Jynocidus
i'm not going back on my word.LT and Spectre solved the problem, they made the weak brothers form the amalgam universe. Making them ultimately greater than the brothers.
even then, canon or not, they're regarded as divergent universes. I don't thin 616 Storm remembers that particular encounter. And in the canon encounter JLA vs Avengers, any potentially eliminated plot devices like...speed force didn't work.
so what are you coming at me with?
Weak or not, canon or not, they were clearly depicted as being more powerful than the LT. You said I could use any comic based character. I have. And my characters have, in a direct comparison with the LT, made him look like an insect. You cannot really argue against that. Check the scan. See if you can spot the LT.
Originally posted by Cogito
Despite Jynocidus' clear need for time off at a mental hospital, I propose WF Mxy.By Jyno's admission, the Living Tribunal has absolute authority over all necessity, vengeance, and equity. As per those rules, WF Mxy has no need to do anything, as he just does whatever he wants when he wants to. He does nothing out of vengeance, but rather fun. To top it off, he clearly didn't give a shit about equity. Thus we have proved that WF Mxy was not held to the concepts of necessity, vengeance, and equity, and therefore is outside the realm of the Living Tribunal's power.
So...what is this mysterious necessary condition for Mxy to be independent of necessity, equity, and vengeance?
when Mxy does whatever ft you want to bring up, who makes that possible? TOAA
this thread says TOAA is banned. So he's not allowing Mxy to go haywire. Who's there to enforce it? LT
what is WF Mxy gonna do to LT so he can destroy everything? He NEEDS to do something...
Originally posted by Jynocidus
when Mxy does whatever ft you want to bring up, who makes that possible? TOAAthis thread says TOAA is banned. So he's not allowing Mxy to go haywire. Who's there to enforce it? LT
😂
So now, Because you believe TOAA makes everything possible, and TOAA is banned, that nothing can happen. With those stips as you put it, there is no fight possible for any character ever created or yet to be created.
Stupidest. Argument. Ever.*
*Edit: Second stupidest argument ever. First would have to be that the LT has power over people in real life.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Weak or not, canon or not, they were clearly depicted as being more powerful than the LT. You said I could use any comic based character. I have. And my characters have, in a direct comparison with the LT, made him look like an insect. You cannot really argue against that. Check the scan. See if you can spot the LT.
LT serves TOAA. Two beings that are VERY far from omnipotent don't fit either of TOAA's shoes.
that panel isn't even the end result, which had the brothers merging to form an amalgam continuity,
Many people were seen as "superior" to LT, but what was necessary for them to do that? a higher power....but they're not here to do that.
Worst case scenario...so what the brothers are bigger than Marvel and DC. LT can survive the destruction of a continuity, necessity exists in all realms. So if I were you, i wouldn't be fooled.
The brothers resemble miniature LT's anyway
Originally posted by Cogito
😂So now, Because you believe TOAA makes everything possible, and TOAA is banned, that nothing can happen. With those stips as you put it, there is no fight possible for any character ever created or yet to be created.
Stupidest. Argument. Ever.*
*Edit: Second stupidest argument ever. First would have to be that the LT has power over people in real life.
this is the best argument ever. this is the argument that shows everybody that LT is the strongest fictional creation that is NOT TOAA. No nonsense, no BS. Using logical, the three most significant things to be able to hold your own in any region of fictional existence.
i hope somebody in the industry browses over this when they're bored. me personally, i'm tired of people disrespecting LT. saying CA Supes and whoever is above just because of some false omnipotent presence who was created from external forces
lets get rid of anything hypothetical of theoretical.
who can escape necessity? as of right now, i think there isn't anything that can.