The Living Tribunal vs...

Originally posted by Jynocidus
there is no inability to do anything. how are you unable, as the embodiment of equity?

what is so significant about The Brothers in which they can not be judged here?

what magical spell are they going to cast, from what extra-dimensional energy, to restrain LT from making judgement?

No spell, no energy, they just are higher.

The onus is on you to prove that they are lower than the LT, by showing me some comic or wiki or animation or ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER that he is above the two of them. Because so far, they have met once, and so far, the score is Brothers 1, LT 0.

So far, I have supplied proof. Your move.

Any supreme being >> the LT simple and this isn't a vs thread

show a scan of the end result....LT and Spectre are supposedly powerless against them, yet somehow survive only to force the beings to merge.

show me a scan of them resisting LT's exact judgement, or anybody for that matter.

i don't see how a scan of a divergent reality holds up to necessity.

worst case scenario...lets give the brothers the benefit of the doubt. Say they embody all of Marvel and DC. what is necessary for them to do that? What is necessary for them to exist independent of each other?

LT's power as necessity goes so far, he holds both companies in his hands and tells them to be content or he will...merge them with Image lol

LT serves TOAA, not two brothers embodying two fictional companies, and that's being generous so you know i'm not biased

without the benefit of the doubt, you can't sit here and tell me that those beings are more significant than the necessity that TOAA put into place for all of existence.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Any supreme being >> the LT simple and this isn't a vs thread

so how are ellaine, presence, MoM, GEB, Wally the God Boy...all supreme at the same time?

let Presence, MoM, and GEB decide to not be selfish...and let Ellaine be supreme. She's gonna get stomped due to inexperience

Let Presence be supreme, and he'll lose. he was created by external forces

let GEB be supreme, it'll lose. Why? It's only the Hell half to the Heaven. And even considering that it "temporarily" absorbs presence, MoM, and ellaine, even with the power of Good and Evil...it is NOT necessity. Good and evil are BOTH necessary....embodiments of LT.

who else do you want to contest is superior to LT? The actual TOAA, for all intents and purposes, is banned

this is a vs thread, because anybody you name has to overcome LT. So far, people are failing

Presence and Wally are the same person. GEB merged with them. MoM is a different company. Elaine took over for the Presence or became the Presence... Most cosmic forces in DC are aspects of the Presence in one form or another.

But still, Squirrel Girl solos

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Presence and Wally are the same person. GEB merged with them. MoM is a different company. Elaine took over for the Presence or became the Presence... Most cosmic forces in DC are aspects of the Presence in one form or another.

But still, Squirrel Girl solos

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Presence and Wally are the same person. GEB merged with them. MoM is a different company. Elaine took over for the Presence or became the Presence... Most cosmic forces in DC are aspects of the Presence in one form or another.

But still, Squirrel Girl solos

that's bad. if they're all aspects of the presence, and the "glorified" aspect who spoke with Lucifer Morningstar and admitted that even he was created by external forces...yet claims to be infinite and eternal. That's a big steamy pile of defecation.

LT is necessity. If it is necessary to utilize those external forces to remain TOAA's main enforcer against him.....again, as the embodiment of vengeance (a response), what is stopping him from doing so as the embodiment of equity?

your quote says LT is more virtually or nigh omnipotent than the presence.

Presence is not TOAA, when have you seen TOAA say he was created by external forces? LT says powers above his are meaningless, but Presence doesn't possess them. Presence claims to be infinite, and eternal. LT is virtually omnipotent

Because those forces are more powerful than him and have no reason to want to help him?

If you want to play the "random dialogue disproves omnipotence" game, then TOAA isn't omnipotent because he needed Thanos' help to fix the flaw in reality with the HOTU.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
that's bad. if they're all aspects of the presence, and the "glorified" aspect who spoke with Lucifer Morningstar and admitted that even he was created by external forces...yet claims to be infinite and eternal.

We can pretty much equate ALL representations of The Presence to THOTI, a spherical mass of glowing energy that represents TOAA.
Yahweh = THOTI, yet both are nothing more than physical representations of each company's supreme being.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
show a scan of the end result....LT and Spectre are supposedly powerless against them, yet somehow survive only to force the beings to merge.

show me a scan of them resisting LT's exact judgement, or anybody for that matter.

i don't see how a scan of a divergent reality holds up to necessity.

worst case scenario...lets give the brothers the benefit of the doubt. Say they embody all of Marvel and DC. what is necessary for them to do that? What is necessary for them to exist independent of each other?

LT's power as necessity goes so far, he holds both companies in his hands and tells them to be content or he will...merge them with Image lol

LT serves TOAA, not two brothers embodying two fictional companies, and that's being generous so you know i'm not biased

without the benefit of the doubt, you can't sit here and tell me that those beings are more significant than the necessity that TOAA put into place for all of existence.

Actually, the scan I showed was AFTER the LT AND the Spectre attempted to force them to merge. ...they tried and it failed. So if anything, it supports my claim. That they were above. Divergent reality or not, isn't the LT omniversal, as you claim? Meaning that a failure in this reality shows that he can't be.. ...

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Those external forces are LITERALLY the writers/artists.
External forces, meaning they are not withIN DCverse, hence beyond the scope of The Presence.

We can pretty much equate ALL representations of The Presence to THOTI, a spherical mass of glowing energy that represents TOAA.
Yahweh = THOTI, yet both are nothing more than physical representations of each company's supreme being.

CBG got an interview with the guy who wrote that and he said he wasn't talking about the writers

Originally posted by Endless Mike
CBG got an interview with the guy who wrote that and he said he wasn't talking about the writers

If what Mike Carey told him was true, then Dream/The Endless > The Presence?

From what I understand in that interview, The Presence is shaped by the 'dreams' of the people who believe in him.
Hence, he is shaped by Dream of The Endless?

If we are going to use alt reality then LT is not even psudo omnipotent because LT was afraid of Galactus in MC2 which is the future of 616 and LT is killed by reed Richard with a ray gun

Well, if the LT is multiversal, all realities should be equally canon.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, the scan I showed was AFTER the LT AND the Spectre attempted to force them to merge. ...they tried and it failed. So if anything, it supports my claim. That they were above. Divergent reality or not, isn't the LT omniversal, as you claim? Meaning that a failure in this reality shows that he can't be.. ...

either way you look at it, what are the brothers powers?

tell me what is stopping LT from using Equity to become equal to them, if not beyond? i'll need more than your word, and it better be logical what overcomes necessity....LT could take the necessity that the brothers had in that particular story for them to be as powerful (at least in this thread, it's a viable tactic) so what do the brothers have against that? i'll be waiting

Juno as you said yourself LT is omniversal meaning there is only one LT and he exist in every alt universes. If that is true than LT is dead because reed kiled him with a ray gun.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Any supreme being >> the LT simple and this isn't a vs thread

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, the scan I showed was AFTER the LT AND the Spectre attempted to force them to merge. ...they tried and it failed. So if anything, it supports my claim. That they were above. Divergent reality or not, isn't the LT omniversal, as you claim? Meaning that a failure in this reality shows that he can't be.. ...

even AFTER the fact...like i said...what is necessary for the brothers to exist independently of each other?

what is necessary for the Brothers to form a coherent thought leading to any form of attack vs LT?

what is necessary for a divergent reality to contain said beings?

that's three ways LT can eliminate them from this scenario....all because he is the embodiment of necessity.

Originally posted by hunbu04
Juno as you said yourself LT is omniversal meaning there is only one LT and he exist in every alt universes. If that is true than LT is dead because reed kiled him with a ray gun.

what would be necessary for Reed to use that raygun in this thread?

LT turned Surfer into a universe, what's stopping LT from turning Reed into a being less than human...lets say a big steamy pile of sloppy defecation almost reminiscent of clayface, except that everytime he tries to form his arms it liquifies just as his fingers start to take shape.

What is necessary for the MC universe or whatever to exist in the first place?

What's stopping LT from waving a finger and eliminating that divergent reality from 616...or in worst case scenario, this thread entirely?

LT has that power.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Those external forces are LITERALLY the writers/artists.
External forces, meaning they are not withIN DCverse, hence beyond the scope of The Presence.

We can pretty much equate ALL representations of The Presence to THOTI, a spherical mass of glowing energy that represents TOAA.
Yahweh = THOTI, yet both are nothing more than physical representations of each company's supreme being.

i'm pretty sure if Presence is as godlike, omnipotent, and whatever other term you associate with it....seeing beyond the DC verse wouldn't be a problem.

this is exactly why i don't equate Presence with TOAA (who LT serves). TOAA can see all realities, so can LT. Obviously fictional characters like Presence/Yawheh/etc don't compare...by your own wording, of course.

the realities that LT judges include the ones that have the potential to be brought up in this thread, and all beings within them are subject to his authority. I think it's time we respect the LT, hmm?