Originally posted by janus77
It was simple really, 1) the script demands Thor be alive so that the Loki - Thor drama can take place
Originally posted by janus77
You're reaching to preposterous levels now... "the script did not allow..." what are you Joss Whedon's script consultant? Shall we try and figure out why Joss decided to make Stark wear a Black Sabbath t-shirt?
I would say this counts more as ridiculous speculation:
Originally posted by janus77
Stark, being the genius that he is, as well as having read the Shield files on all the other Avengers and knowing Loki is Thor's brother, chose Hulk as the stick with which to threaten/scare Loki.That says a lot more than you might wish.
Fact is we didn't see Thor going all out on Hulk. But we did see it Vice Versa. That's my point.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
The levels of bias are ridiculous.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I would say this counts more as ridiculous speculation:
Me I don't care about the speculation, the facts are good enough as they are, but I can play the game.
Originally posted by janus77
well you would have to, since you need to take the focus away from your desperate resort to wild speculation 🙂.Me I don't care about the speculation, the facts are good enough as they are, but I can play the game.
Well why were you agreeing with that stupid speculative theory in the first place? That Lulz Tony said "we have a Hulk" means Hulk would kick Thor's ass.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well why were you agreeing with that stupid speculative theory in the first place? That Lulz Tony said "we have a Hulk" means Hulk is stronger.
Take the momentary loss and accept that Thor wasn't all that impressive in the film. It's only a film, no need to go into such prolonged defensive bouts of blindness.
Originally posted by janus77
You either can't discern the difference between stating what the characters are saying - VERBATIM - and blindly speculating about script decisions OR you are desperate.
So to you Tony saying "We have a Hulk" is proof that Hulk was more powerful?
Right great. I think your the one whose argument is pretty damn desperate.
Originally posted by janus77Take the momentary loss and accept that Thor wasn't all that impressive in the film. It's only a film, no need to go into such prolonged defensive bouts of blindness.
Take a moment and realise Thor took everything an enraged Hulk had. And all it did was give him a slight nose bleed.
Whilst Thor unleashed hardly anything close to his full power on Hulk, and even admitted he was holding back.
If you would like to address the point by giving factual evidence from the movie like I have, then you are welcome to.
But if all you have in return is speculative bull crap Lulz but Tony said "We have a Hulk" then don't bother carrying this on.
Just watched the Film a second time in 2 days and gotta admit it's disheartening to see that Thor was definitely holding back in the Hangar (maybe not as much as Thor fans would like to admit, but it was there). It's also hard to ignore the fact that one well placed Mjolner hit dazed and off-balanced hulk. That's really the only evidence we have to go by and it's not looking good for hulk since Thor didn't seem winded at all during their fight.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Take a moment and realise Thor took everything an enraged Hulk had. And all it did was give him a slight nose bleed.Whilst Thor unleashed hardly anything close to his full power on Hulk, and even admitted he was holding back.
If you would like to address the point by giving factual evidence from the movie like I have, then you are welcome to.
But if all you have in return is speculative bull crap Lulz but Tony said "We have a Hulk" then don't bother carrying this on.
Hulk never "unleashed" on Thor, he attacked Thor with about as much determination and gusto as he attacked Black Widow, both survived with minor scrapes and bruises 🙂. Hell, BW actually was at more risk from the falling scenery!
anyway, you continue reaching and grasping at straws (and illusions), the film's testimony to Hulk's superiority.
Originally posted by janus77
Take a slightly more composed moment and realise that Thor was cowering as Hulk was about to actually begin beating on him, when the jet fighter distracted Hulk.Hulk never "unleashed" on Thor, he attacked Thor with about as much determination and gusto as he attacked Black Widow, both survived with minor scrapes and bruises 🙂. Hell, BW actually was at more risk from the falling scenery!
anyway, you continue reaching and grasping at straws (and illusions), the film's testimony to Hulk's superiority.
Originally posted by janus77
Take a slightly more composed moment and realise that Thor was cowering as Hulk was about to actually begin beating on him, when the jet fighter distracted Hulk.
Speculation. Go by what we saw, not by what you think (in your biased opinion) was about to happen.
And all that with Thor holding back anyway Lol.
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk never "unleashed" on Thor, he attacked Thor with about as much determination and gusto as he attacked Black Widow, both survived with minor scrapes and bruises 🙂. Hell, BW actually was at more risk from the falling scenery!
Urm what? I don't remember Hulk throwing a Jet wing at BW, or giving her a full on punch for that matter.
Hulk was enraged and gave Thor everything. Thor did not unleash anywhere near his full power on Hulk. Something you conveniently keep ignoring.
Originally posted by janus77
anyway, you continue reaching and grasping at straws (and illusions), the film's testimony to Hulk's superiority.
And you keep resorting to lies to win your argument for you. There was no such testimony in the film. The film specifically showed a holding back Thor vs an Enraged Hulk.
Thor took full on punches from Hulk.
But lucky for Hulk he never felt the full wrath of Thor 🙂
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nothing suggests Thor was going to get the Loki treatment. Nothing at all. Thor blocked Hulk's punches. Dodged Hulk throwing stuff at him. Gave Hulk a couple of good smack himself.
Fought Hulk for a while without thinking he even needed Mjolnir and the worst Hulk could do to Mjolnir-less Thor was a slight nose bleed. Great.
Banner was not in control at this point. Hence why Hulk was attacking Thor for no reason. And it was only Thor who said "I don't want to fight you" suggesting he was the only one holding back.
As for why Black Widow didn't die, well she's just an insect to him. You don't usually get your hardest punch to an insect. Just squat it away.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor was clearly physically outmatched. Without Mjolnir his hits were easily shrugged off, his one strike with the hammer did little more than piss Hulk off.
And why did it Piss Hulk off. Because it hurt Hulk, which can clearly be seen in that shot.
Thor's punch also staggered Hulk.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
What? Thor was being dominated that's why he summoned Mjolnir and even then Hulk still turned the tide. By contrast what damage did Thor do? Nothing.
And what did Hulk's punches (as in his full on power) do to Thor. Oh that's right just a slight nose bleed. And that's everything Hulk has.
Whilst Hulk only tasted a very small portion of Thor's full power.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Banner being in control of the Hulk was a central theme for the character in this film, to say otherwise is retarded really.
I think your lacking a basic comprehension of the movie's events.
BM worked out Loki's plan to control the Hulk, and it was made clear Banner was the most influenced by Loki's staff. Hence him being the only one who actually held it without even realising.
So The first time he Hulked out, Banner certainly wasn't in control. He didn't voluntarily Hulk out, and he attacked people Banner would not want him to.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thor said he didn't want to fight but when pressed, that's exactly what he did. If anyone was holding back it was Hulk and was content to throw Thor around rather than beat him to death.
What? He punched him full on. Threw a frigging Jet Wing to try and slice him in 2. Stop being a fan boy. The only holding back there was Thor who specifically states "I don not want to hurt you" and who was watching out for civilians.
Heck he only attacked Hulk to save Widow's life! Hulk was going to Murder BW!
Originally posted by The Sorrow
A mindless Hulk doesn't follow instructions, work as part of a team and save innocent lives, Jesus Christ get off Thor's nuts.
Again your lacking basic understanding of the movie's sequence of events. Banner voluntarily turned into Hulk at that point and hence was in control.