Movie Hulk(Avengers) vs Movie Thor

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's kill count is the highest, imo. He's responsible for taking down more soldiers and ships than anyone else.

Thor's biggest showing was when he used a massively amped lightning strike to short-circuit the engines of 2 carriers, even then, they didn't go down instantly (so don't think the soldiers went down with the ships).

Hulk also tanked the most attacks and the aliens specifically gathered to try and take him out (they failed, naturally), whereas they didn't consider the others worthy of such attention.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. Everybody who watched the film without agenda, could easily see Hulk was both implied as being the most powerful and shown as being unquestionably the most powerful of the heroes.

Thor not only took down 2-3 of the Leviathans with his one attack, not to mention finishing the one off him and Hulk were both fighting, but Thor also was causing a ton of the little motorcycles guys to blow up when he did his massive lightning attack.

In fact every time they showed Thor he was taking out large numbers of them. When he was fighting along side Hulk he was taking out just as many. When he came in to help Captain America he took out quite a bit even though he was surrounded by probably the same number as Hulk was.

So his massive AOE attack plus all his other on screen showings show he had the highest kill count on screen before Iron Man nuked the mother ship.

As for tanking attacks. Thor didn't need to considering he was blocking them all with his hammer.

But even then he was was willing to throw his hammer and then go help Cap up after he got shot. So I don't think he was afraid of them shooting him even without it.

Poor argument, as one. Shield had almost no information on Thor as he'd only had one powered fight on Earth before the Avengers movie and two, Tony was shown as a Banner fanboy.

But if you want that kind of argument, Loki was more scared of his brother than he was of the Hulk.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
However Thor has proven he can take all Hulk's punches and the worst it does is give him a nose bleed.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
lol exaggerate much?

Did he not take his puches? Was Hulk holding back?

Yes to the first. No to the second.

To be fair, Thor wasn't shown to be injured after their fight.

Thor's amped lightning just fried their circuitry, it didn't kill the creatures.

As for the business about "Thor didn't need to tank", I think you're deluded there, it was pretty clear he COULDN'T tank those attacks. He was pretty sure he'd die, and not for the first time either (he worked like mad to escape the drop-tank too).

Anyway, no point in arguing against your bias, it's clear to reasonable people that Hulk was the more powerful and more effective character.

Originally posted by janus77
Thor's amped lightning just fried their circuitry, it didn't kill the creatures.

As for the business about "Thor didn't need to tank", I think you're deluded there, it was pretty clear he COULDN'T tank those attacks. He was pretty sure he'd die, and not for the first time either (he worked like mad to escape the drop-tank too).

Anyway, no point in arguing against your bias, it's clear to reasonable people that Hulk was the more powerful and more effective character.

That isn't just short circuiting them.

As for unbiased opinions. Everybody I know whose seen the film, people that have never read comics, most of the time told me they feel neither would be beat the other because they thought they were both basically invulnerable and unbeatable 😛

If Thor didn't kill/take out all the people/ships he hit with lightning, where were they for the rest of the movie?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Did he not take his puches? Was Hulk holding back?

Yes to the first. No to the second.

Banner was in control of the Hulk to a large extent and clearly holds back the Hulk's power. He even hit Black Widow, a human, who sustained no injuries unless you believe he is going all out just because he's... angry?

Watch the movie again, the lightning just causes various engines on the carriers to explode, it doesn't blow up the beasts or anything like that.

And again, Hulk can drop them with a single right-hook. No amping, no working himself into a rage ... just simply walloping the damned thing.

Originally posted by janus77

Anyway, no point in arguing against your bias, it's clear to reasonable people that Hulk was the more powerful.

Not really. I would suggest you look at the scenario with a more open mind.

Thor did well in a punch up with Hulk. Hulk vs a Thor going all out with all his powers was specifically not shown. Think very hard as to why that is.

I would suggest to you it was either:

1) To leave the answer of who is more powerful open.
2) Because Thor is more Powerful and would whoop Hulk in an all out.

Take your pick of the 2.

I loved that scene, as Hulk descends upon a defenceless Thor... then the jet fighter starts opening up on Hulk and the pilot says "target engaged", then a couple of seconds later, "TARGET ANGRY!! TARGET ANGRY!!"...

Basically, Hulk was going easy on Thor, like he had earlier on Black Widow but once he got annoyed... there was a qualitative difference in his attacks.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Did you expect Thor to die from the first punch or something? Thor was about to get the Loki treatment until the fighter plane saved him.

Nothing suggests Thor was going to get the Loki treatment. Nothing at all. Thor blocked Hulk's punches. Dodged Hulk throwing stuff at him. Gave Hulk a couple of good smack himself.

Fought Hulk for a while without thinking he even needed Mjolnir and the worst Hulk could do to Mjolnir-less Thor was a slight nose bleed. Great.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Banner was in control of the Hulk to a large extent and clearly holds back the Hulk's power. He even hit Black Widow, a human, who sustained no injuries unless you believe he is going all out just because he's... angry?

Banner was not in control at this point. Hence why Hulk was attacking Thor for no reason. And it was only Thor who said "I don't want to fight you" suggesting he was the only one holding back.

As for why Black Widow didn't die, well she's just an insect to him. You don't usually get your hardest punch to an insect. Just squat it away.

Originally posted by janus77

Basically, Hulk was going easy on Thor, like he had earlier on Black Widow but once he got annoyed... there was a qualitative difference in his attacks.

Nope. Hulk was in a mindless rage whether you like it or not. Only Thor made his clear intentions to hold back.

How does the Hulk getting mad at the pilot shooting him prove that he was going easy on Thor?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not really. I would suggest you look at the scenario with a more open mind.

Thor did well in a punch up with Hulk. Hulk vs a Thor going all out with all his powers was specifically not shown. Think very hard as to why that is.

I would suggest to you it was either:

1) To leave the answer of who is more powerful open.
2) Because Thor is more Powerful and would whoop Hulk in an all out.

Take your pick of the 2.

It was simple really, 1) the script demands Thor be alive so that the Loki - Thor drama can take place and 2) because Hulk is not a killer as we saw when he ragdolled Loki.

Originally posted by janus77
I loved that scene, as Hulk descends upon a defenceless Thor... then the jet fighter starts opening up on Hulk and the pilot says "target engaged", then a couple of seconds later, "TARGET ANGRY!! TARGET ANGRY!!"...

Basically, Hulk was going easy on Thor, like he had earlier on Black Widow but once he got annoyed... there was a qualitative difference in his attacks.

Then he was about to kill her before Thor stopped him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Black Widow survived through luck. She jumped out of the way or something like that to avoid the brunt of the damage.

Then he was about to kill her before Thor stopped him.

The old man even says so, explicitly.

Hulk didn't even kill the pilot of the jetfighter that was unloading on him, he merely tossed him aside (after the pilot tried to escape by ejecting).

The film makes it clear as day, Hulk can kill them but won't.

Originally posted by janus77
Yes because Hulk was going to kill her? Hulk even avoided hitting any populated areas when he fell from the hellicarrier.

The old man even says so, explicitly.

Hulk didn't even kill the pilot of the jetfighter that was unloading on him, he merely tossed him aside (after the pilot tried to escape by ejecting).

The film makes it clear as day, Hulk can kill them but won't.

Do honestly think he was just running over there to help her up after trying to run her over?

It was clear he was about to finish her off, even her look said it. Then Thor stopped him.

Originally posted by janus77
Thor survived a mild attack from Hulk. That's doing well, true enough, but not in the way you present it.

There was nothing mild about it. He was in a mindless rage, whilst Thor said "I do not want to hurt you Banner" So if anyone was holding back it was Thor.

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Originally posted by janus77
t was simple really, 1) the script demands Thor be alive so that the Loki - Thor drama can take place and

Actually the script did not allow Thor to unleash his full power on Hulk. Why? Because they didn't want Hulk dying.

Originally posted by janus77
2) because Hulk is not a killer as we saw when he ragdolled Loki.

That was Banner controlled Hulk.

You're reaching to preposterous levels now... "the script did not allow..." what are you Joss Whedon's script consultant? Shall we try and figure out why Joss decided to make Stark wear a Black Sabbath t-shirt?

Maybe we should ask why Tony wants Shwarma so much?

The desperation of your position is made obvious by the amount of baseless speculating you do to rationalise away the events depicted and the statements made in the film.