Movie Hulk(Avengers) vs Movie Thor

Originally posted by janus77
I understand what you mean, I just disagree with you as you are clearly quite biased.

To just deal with the example you highlight, "Thor's" lightning:
1) It was power taken from pre-existing clouds over the battlefield
2) It required the use of a whole building to store and discharge
3) It did little to no direct physical damage, instead taking effect by way of short-circuiting the engines of the carriers

That's just stuff you can observe and don't need to interpret.

Yet this is a "feat" supposedly rivalling Hulk's one-punch take-down of a carrier. Something which he did without any notable effort, as the literal +punchline+ to the conversation he was having with BW.

Thor's lightning was also shown to have little effect on IM's armour, which though not as strong and robust as the alien carrier, has sophisticated defences which allowed IM to amp from the lightning.

Hulk on the other hand, took a sustained barrage from over a dozen alien ships, without any damage (and no, a snotty nose does not equal damage).

There are orders of magnitude, obvious to any neutral between Thor's modest showings and Hulk's impressive ones.

Originally posted by iceman24567

^thats what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by janus77
To just deal with the example you highlight, "Thor's" lightning:
1) It was power taken from pre-existing clouds over the battlefield
2) It required the use of a whole building to store and discharge
3) It did little to no direct physical damage, instead taking effect by way of short-circuiting the engines of the carriers

Originally posted by janus77
you are clearly quite biased.

Originally posted by janus77
That's just stuff you can observe and don't need to interpret.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You kids and your crazy dancing.

^thats what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Wtf is that

The definition of swag is what it is

Originally posted by iceman24567
Wtf is that

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Originally posted by Damborgson
You kids and your crazy dancing.

^thats what I'm talking about.

Lmao!!!

Originally posted by Zack Fair

Oh Yeah that's blood baby!!

From a few shitari lasers right?

So Hulk definitely doesn't wana be hit head on by Thor's full power!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh Yeah that's blood baby!!

From a few shitari lasers right?

So Hulk definitely doesn't wana be hit head on by Thor's full power!

Chitauri lasers blew up cars and even put Ironman out of the fight for a bit. That's quite a bit more impressive than Thor's average lightning.

Sure, Thor's uber lightning will likely be able to do some significant damage but he never showed the ability to use it without chanelling his lightning through a skyscraper. And Thor's lightning hammer will undoubtedly hurt Hulk significantly as well. However, I don't see Thor using that attack right away as both times he has used it was after a prolonged battle.

Plus it was a bit more than a "few" lasers... A couple dozen of the Chitauri ships unleashed a barrage against him. And the damage he sustained is comparable to what Thor took from a single punch from the Hulk.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah i don't recall Thor having any visible damage during that whole movie except when Loki stabbed him

After Hulk punches Thor his nose is bloodied.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Originally posted by ares834
Chitauri lasers blew up cars and even put Ironman out of the fight for a bit. That's quite a bit more impressive than Thor's average lightning.

Sure, Thor's uber lightning will likely be able to do some significant damage but he never showed the ability to use it without chanelling his lightning through a skyscraper. And Thor's lightning hammer will undoubtedly hurt Hulk significantly as well. However, I don't see Thor using that attack right away as both times he has used it was after a prolonged battle.

Plus it was a bit more than a "few" lasers... A couple dozen of the Chitauri ships unleashed a barrage against him. And the damage he sustained is comparable to what Thor took from a single punch from the Hulk.

Yeah but what about if Thor deals with Hulk the way he did with the Destroyer? Whips him up in a hurricane, takes him up 50,000 feet in the air and as he's dropping Thor hits Hulk with a full on Lightning Blast and Mjolnir Strike??

I doubt Hulk could take all that.

And as you've rightly pointed out Hulk only landed a single full on punch on Thor in a mellee fight, so what's he going to do to Thor in an open environment where Thor's free to fly around? Pretty much nothing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but what about if Thor deals with Hulk the way he did with the Destroyer? Whips him up in a hurricane, takes him up 50,000 feet in the air and as he's dropping Thor hits Hulk with a full on Lightning Blast and Mjolnir Strike??

How is Thor's tornado, not a hurricane, lifting Hulk 50000 feet? Thor lifted the Destroyer 100 feet at max and a quick google search shows that actual tornadoes lift debris, not massive objects, to about 8000 feet. I can't see Thor lifting Hulk to nearly as high as you claim.

And I've admited before if Thor whips up a tornado he can win.

And as you've rightly pointed out Hulk only landed a single full on punch on Thor, so what's he going to do to Thor when he's flying around? Pretty much nothing.

Jump at him. Admitedly, if Thor's flying Hulk is at a massive disadvantage but he's not completley done for. And even in the movies, Thor has a tendency to brawl.

mhmm

mmm

Stalemate 5/10.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but what about if Thor deals with Hulk the way he did with the Destroyer? Whips him up in a hurricane, takes him up 50,000 feet in the air and as he's dropping Thor hits Hulk with a full on Lightning Blast and Mjolnir Strike??

I doubt Hulk could take all that.

And as you've rightly pointed out Hulk only landed a single full on punch on Thor in a mellee fight, so what's he going to do to Thor in an open environment where Thor's free to fly around? Pretty much nothing.

Hulk could probably thunderclap his way out of a tornado. Hulk will not just be standing still like the Destroyer did.

Thor lightning was amped and that scene of him using his lightning against the ship really isn't usable. His average lightning did nothing to Ironmans armor. It isn't dropping Hulk either. Hulk would probably be pushed back and more angry after the attack.

Lol...you must forgot Hulk is maneuver as well in a open space and what scene are you referring to where Thor is zipping around in combat? Can you advise of some footage where Thor is fighting in a zig zag untouchable motion in any movie. Show a clip so that I can remember and I want to see him attacking while doing this.

Thanks.

Originally posted by carver9

Lol...you must forgot Hulk is maneuver as well in a open space and what scene are you referring to where Thor is zipping around in combat? Can you advise of some footage where Thor is fighting in a zig zag untouchable motion in any movie. Show a clip so that I can remember and I want to see him attacking while doing this.

Thanks.

So lets see, that shows flying in a zig zag pattern to avoid the destroyers beam, and attacking while doing that via tornado.

Now it is possible Thor was just starting to summon the tornado and maybe didn't have it in full motion while taking off, but he was starting to summon it if memory serves me right.

Originally posted by ares834
Chitauri lasers blew up cars and even put Ironman out of the fight for a bit. That's quite a bit more impressive than Thor's average lightning.

Sure, Thor's uber lightning will likely be able to do some significant damage but he never showed the ability to use it without chanelling his lightning through a skyscraper. And Thor's lightning hammer will undoubtedly hurt Hulk significantly as well. However, I don't see Thor using that attack right away as both times he has used it was after a prolonged battle.

Plus it was a bit more than a "few" lasers... A couple dozen of the Chitauri ships unleashed a barrage against him. And the damage he sustained is comparable to what Thor took from a single punch from the Hulk.

After Hulk punches Thor his nose is bloodied.

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Also were those blasters using the same power as Loki's staff?

More fuel to the fire:

Hello all,

So I had my little chat with the Animation Supervisor from ILM, Marc Chu. He's a great guy and gave me more insight on the thoughts and motivation when laying out the Thor/Hulk confrontation. Here are his thoughts:

"For the fight in the helicarrier, the choreography was worked out before hand so we didn't really mess with that too much. But since it's the first time we really get a good look at the Hulk, we really needed to sell the character in the sequence so we can buy into him for the rest of the movie. The main beats we needed to get against Thor were, a viciousness when circling him after the tackle, the confused expression after getting hit into the plane, making Hulk's actions feel instinctual than thoughtful (when throwing the wing at Thor) and other moments of realization, like when Thor is matching his strength with him, it surprised the Hulk that it was possible, and when he gets hit by tracer fire from the plane. After that it's all about just selling his rage against the plane.

Understanding the sucker punch. It's solely because, while they're on the same side, Hulk doesn't necessarily like Thor still because of what happened on the helicarrier. Sort of a, I'll fight with you but I don't have to like you mentality."

I'll have more later.

Here's more cool facts on my continuation talk with ILM's Marc Chu (Animation Supervisor), and included on here is Delio Tramontozzi (Animation Lead of Motion Capture for Hulk)

Marc, what was going on with the Black Widow sequence? Was the Hulk that crazed that he was about to kill her??

"Thor/Hulk fight - and yes, in that shot, Delio acted and animated him approaching black widow, he would've hit and killed her if not for Thor's intervention."

Delio, so was that the intention of that scene? You were the motion capture actor performing that whole sequence?

"I was told to rage like I had a DARK SIDE. I went after BW on the intent of killing her. It was a tough shot because I was tackled numerous times before they got the shot right, hahahahah!"

This is for you oceanside1. I asked Marc about the jet firing at Hulk and what was going on with it. This is his answer:

"Hulk was kicking the crap out of Thor. The direction of the scene was that Thor was real surprised by how ferocious the Hulk was. The Hulk was going bonkers and was just laying it on Thor, but if you saw afterward, Thor was not hurt. Before the shot was final, we actually had Thor getting a hit in when the Hulk was distracted by the gunfire, but it was omitted as it didn't work for the flow of the Hulk jumping out."

And of course, I had to ask this:

So tell me, when you guys were going over the characterization of these heroes, did anyone mention...who's more stronger? I know it's a geek question, but I figured some of you guys might have asked!

Marc - "Hahahaha...well, I'm also a fan of the comics, but yes, there's a document write-up on the breakdowns of the heroes. If I remember right, Hulk was written as someone that was immensely strong and got stronger as he got angrier that he becomes overpowering. Thor was explained as someone with comparable strength, but not a loose cannon like the Hulk. Thor on the other hand has his hammer and other powers that makes him the God of Thunder."

That's my little chat with Marc Chu and Delio Trammontozzi. You guys might be wondering how I was able to meet with them? It wasn't a formal interview or anything like that. Like I mention earlier, I work in the entertainment business and had a chance to be at ILM and found out that these guys were around. With the chance like that, I asked them if I could throw them some quick questions and thoughts and they were happily enough to share it with me. I hope you guys enjoyed it!

I just wish that last hit from Thor was included, it would have made the sucker punch more understandable and less annoying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
More fuel to the fire:

I just wish that last hit from Thor was included, it would have made the sucker punch more understandable and less annoying.

1) Do you have a link?

and

2) Looks like the Thor side was right about a) the Hulk not holding back and b) Thor being unhurt.

Originally posted by ares834
Jump at him. Admitedly, if Thor's flying Hulk is at a massive disadvantage but he's not completley done for. And even in the movies, Thor has a tendency to brawl.

When he only landed One good hit in a melee, I don't know what makes you think Hulk would land any hits with Thor flying and controlling the environment.