I just like how some posters from both sides watched a different movie. Here are my 2 cents...Hulk had the upperhand in the brawl/melee, but it is still impressive how Thor was even able to stand up to Hulk. Thor had insane durability and he took Hulk's onslaught without any real damage. On the other hand Hulk's durability appears to be even greater than Thor's. Thor still has the exotic powers card to play against Hulk, so that is one point for him. Hulk could most likely take it, but I think he would be at a serious disadvantage if the fight continues like that.
All in all the fight is a stalemate from my point of view. Neither showed they have what it takes to down the other.
Originally posted by Zack FairThe only really reasonable answer, based on what was shown in the movie.
I just like how some posters from both sides watched a different movie. Here are my 2 cents...Hulk had the upperhand in the brawl/melee, but it is still impressive how Thor was even able to stand up to Hulk. Thor had insane durability and he took Hulk's onslaught without any real damage. On the other hand Hulk's durability appears to be even greater than Thor's. Thor still has the exotic powers card to play against Hulk, so that is one point for him. Hulk could most likely take it, but I think he would be at a serious disadvantage if the fight continues like that.All in all the fight is a stalemate from my point of view. Neither showed they have what it takes to down the other.
Originally posted by Philosophía
They seemed anything but equals. As soon as Thor caught Hulk's forearm/wrist, he followed it almost immediately with the other arm, because he was losing the struggle. That's not even going into how force distribution, and how Thor catching Hulk's forearm/wrist (which Surfer recently did to Thor in their fight) isn't the same as straight up blocking the point of his strike.--
Thor was more affected by Hulk's punches than otherwise. Even his best shot in the entire fight, the Mjolnir to the face, did nothing more than get Hulk even angrier. By the end of their fight, before the interruption kicked it, Hulk was ragdolling Thor around, and it seemed to be heading towards a Loki situation.
Speaking of which, not that it was needed, but Hulk treating Loki as I would a toddler, and leaving him on the floor "aaaaa"ing incontrollably in a few slams, again, makes it obvious that Hulk is significantly more formidable. I got a chuckle out of Jake saying that this was a "sucker attack", as if Loki wasn't standing right in front of him, after Hulk had just punched hm across the room. I also love the implications of "brotherly love" somehow stopping Thor from replicating that performance. I know you like Thor a lot, but get a grip on reality.
We can go on about how Thor would have died from falling basically the same height Hulk had. How Hulk was blatantly treated as the most powerful one. How Thor vs Iron Man was competitive before and after Iron Man was amped, and I don't think there's anybody here who thinks that if Hulk had been in Thor's stead, Iron Man wouldn't have been a pinata.
Hulk is not a building-sized, slow moving obvious target, against which Thor has time to climb up on a strategic place and summon his lightning attack. That's if Thor would even be able to have his hold on the hammer long enough for him to complete the process, as he seemed to lose it against both Hulk (twice) and Iron Man, once it got physical.
I know frustration is at an all-time high, with Hulk outshining Thor in virtually every medium but it is what it is. Hulk wins.
The most reasonable answer said in this thread.
Originally posted by carver9
I looked at the vid anyways. Thor throws his hammer (melee). The Destroyer gets up off the ground. Thor fly in the air and start spinning his hammer while the Destroyer just stands there looking at Thor (dumb Destroyer and doesn't have the ability to leap cloud height to get to Thor like the Hulk can). Thor is still spinning his hammer (stupid Destroyer, could have at least try to throw a car at him), slowly lifting the armor up. The Destroyer shoots a beam, Thor blocks it (the Destroyer should have grabbed some debris and threw it at Thor and then had a beam follow it). The Destroyer shoots another beam which is blocked yet again. Thor then goes melee again and redirect the energy beam (which Hulk doesn't have and Thor flying close to Hulk like that would most likely end with him getting punched in the face) .So if you are telling me that the tornado is going to take Hulk out, your entire argument isn't all that great and even aids me with my argument...Thor is a melee freak.
From a brief skim, you were asking earlier for scenes of Thor showing maneuverability in the air such as zig zagging etc. Which is exactly what Thor demonstrated in that scene, if he takes to the air, Hulk is at a serious disadvantage because Thor's is surprisingly agile up there and can fly pretty high.
The Tornado wouldn't in of itself take Hulk out but I doubt he weighs more than the Destroyer armor, such a tactic would leave Hulk helpless and open. You can't punch or leap effectively without any leverage.
Hulk can't jump to the height of clouds. Carver, you need to stop lying, it's out of hand at this point. Didn't Raoul already warn you about this shit?
Originally posted by carver9
Those documents seem fake.
Haha, that's fine no need to accept it.
Originally posted by carver9
Why didn't Ironman amp off of the alien attacks? One shot nearly dropped him. Does that mean the alien tech>>>Thor attack?
When did that happen?
I'm guessing since the alien's energy isn't thought of as electrical at it's core, it's not considered to be something that could amp Iron Man.
Originally posted by ares834
But true. Still, the lightning did almost no noticable damage other than some slight scorching while the laser put down Ironman for a while. Plus they blew up cars, lightning doesn't have that kind of firepower.
Iron Man's overall energy was more than tripled, that's far more power than you would need to shot and blow up a car. A non amped Iron Man could accomplish that casually. Pretty sure he and War Machine were doing just that in the end of Iron Man 2. Plus, he was blowing up the alien's hovercraft themselves in this movie with repulsor blasts.
Originally posted by carver9
If his blast was as powerful as you are making it, it would have either overloaded I'M or at least caused some damage.
Speculation.
Originally posted by carver9
Ironman tanked the blunt force from the attack.
The blast actually was forcing IM back and tearing through his armor. This despite the fact that IM's suit was converting the majority of the Lightning thrown at him to amplify it's own energy source.
Originally posted by carver9
What am j suppose to be looking at in the Destroyer fight?
The fact that Thor fought smart, and didn't allow the Destroyer to hit him once. Not even once.
Originally posted by carver9
Destroyer standing in one spot allowing Thor to lift him in the air?
He had no choice. Hurricanes suck up everything in the vicinity. And Thor's Hurricanes will suck up everything Thor wants it to.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk would have been all over Thor and wouldn't have allowed any of that to happen.
Pretty strange conclusion to come to considering even in a Punch fest Hulk was having trouble even landing a punch on Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Then Thor redirected the Destroyer attack back at him which took it out, he will not get that luxury with the Hulk since the Hulk doesn't shoot beam.
Your right. Hulk doesn't shoot energy beams. So it will be even easier for Thor to avoid being hit by the Hulk. He will just rise Hulk into the air as far as he wants then let him drop. On the way down he can Smash Hulk with full on Mjolnir strikes and blast him with his most potent Lightning.
Originally posted by carver9
He also hit the Destroyer with a hammer toss which dropped it...that same hammer toss only pissed Hulk off.
You mean the same Hammer toss that smashed Hulk back into the plane. Imagine blow after blow like that but amped with Lightning while Hulk is falling to the ground!
Originally posted by carver9
So he purposely took on the frost giants head on? Thor fans always have some type of excuse. Him hitting the ground getting the Giants away from him is still a melee attack.
Yes he pursposefully took them head on. Or have you forgotten the line "At least make it a Challenge for me!"
He began hitting the ground when he was getting surrounded.
Originally posted by carver9
If you want to make up an imaginary way Thor fights, I can do the same for Hulk and your Destroyer battle was boo boo since he still went melee in the end and defeated the Destroyer in a way that would FAIL against the Hulk.
Because you've seen Hulk fight so effectively while he's in free fall? Thor was dodging Hulk's punches in a punch fest. What's he going to do while falling, especially considering the speed and maneuverability Thor has while flying??
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...he was stronger than the frost Giants? Lol...how did he know their strengths when that was the first time he confronted them. I'm clapping for you Darth.
Ok Carver. Your arguments are smelling of desperation now. Of course Thor knew he's stronger than Frost giants!
He's the prince of Asgard! Odin has surely taught him about Frost giants and how powerful they are plus if each Frost giant were stronger than Thor they would be a much much bigger threat!
It's not exactly rocket science Carv. Thor's stronger than most. But he's smart enough to know to switch tactics when up against Powerful foes- The Frost giant monster, and the Destroyer are 2 examples.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...another excuse. He fought melee against Ironman 99% of the fight because he was stronger? I'm slowly standing up, tired of clapping at the excuses being made...about to start dancing.
Urm are you completely blind?! He shot IM with Lightning pretty early on in the fight.. Which you claim he doesn't do. So your already caught making shit up.
And then what, did you expect him to use Lightning again, aftet it already failed?!
And why shouldn't Thor use his fists against a Physically inferior foe?! I don't know what your getting at Carver.
Stand, and clap as much as you want Carver. It's surely easier than addressing the points at hand.
Originally posted by carver9
You are making excuses, your argument isn't helping you at all, you are IGNORING everything and turning it into something you want it to be.
Well since I've addressed pretty much every part of your post I don't see what I'm ignoring. Yet your ignoring and making excuses for the Destroyer fight.
Originally posted by carver9
No need to look at the vid...your post was bad.
So you even admit you didn't look at the Vid! So whose ignoring shit now!
As for my post being "bad" it's usually an accusation that starts being thrown around when one knows he's wrong!
Originally posted by Estacado
Thor...he had to hold back on the Helicarrier.
exactly he was matching hulk while trying to reason with hulk. They looked pretty even to me and as far as feats go they did alot of damage each other by themselves. I like this movie becasue they didnt try to make one look more powerful then the other.
Movie thor wasnt much at all but the avengers version was much more powerful.