Hulk wins. I don't even think Thor could phase Hulk with the lightning. Even if he could then Hulk would just get stronger.
Also Thor used the building to help charge the lightning against those aliens. Hulk isn't going to sit there and give Thor the luxury of that. The fact of the matter is Thor is not going to have much time to put much power into lightning. Without lightning Thor is toast easily.
I just watched Avengers again. Thor was definitely holding way back on the helicarrier. It looked like he intentionally tried to pin Hulk with Mjolnir so he could move in for the chokehold. It didn't work but Thor was hardly trying to beat down Hulk.
Black Widow survived a glancing blow from Hulk, not a direct hit. The fact that he immediately stumbled into a wall after the glancing blow strongly suggests it. He was raging.
Likewise, the janitor said Hulk was awake *when he fell*. The fact that Banner awoke in the middle of a neat crater leads me to believe that the landing knocked him out. Hulk's crash landing startled some birds and the janitor watched him until he shrunk. Thor flew out of the capsule and into the ground...and walked away from it.
When it comes to the alien carriers Hulk took down one by himself. Thor has probably four. Hulk hanging the shrapnel into one carriers back didn't seem to bother it much at all...until Thor put some power into his swing and killed it, leaving electricity dancing over it's form.
Likewise Thor went to the tallest point closest to the portal to guard it. But it looked to me, just as in the forest and post helicarrier fall, the lightning goes to and is emitted from his hammer. Lightning does travel, and just like in Highlanders and their Quickening, it will dance over other metal surfaces
I think Hulk may have Thor in strength and durability, but Thor easily out-paces him in raw power.
Originally posted by lft4ded
I just watched Avengers again. Thor was definitely holding way back on the helicarrier. It looked like he intentionally tried to pin Hulk with Mjolnir so he could move in for the chokehold. It didn't work but Thor was hardly trying to beat down Hulk.Black Widow survived a glancing blow from Hulk, not a direct hit. The fact that he immediately stumbled into a wall after the glancing blow strongly suggests it. He was raging.
Likewise, the janitor said Hulk was awake *when he fell*. The fact that Banner awoke in the middle of a neat crater leads me to believe that the landing knocked him out. Hulk's crash landing startled some birds and the janitor watched him until he shrunk. Thor flew out of the capsule and into the ground...and walked away from it.
When it comes to the alien carriers Hulk took down one by himself. Thor has probably four. Hulk hanging the shrapnel into one carriers back didn't seem to bother it much at all...until Thor put some power into his swing and killed it, leaving electricity dancing over it's form.
Likewise Thor went to the tallest point closest to the portal to guard it. But it looked to me, just as in the forest and post helicarrier fall, the lightning goes to and is emitted from his hammer. Lightning does travel, and just like in Highlanders and their Quickening, it will dance over other metal surfaces
I think Hulk may have Thor in strength and durability, but Thor easily out-paces him in raw power.
Relook at the movie again.
Originally posted by lft4dedThird time's a charm?
I just watched Avengers again. Thor was definitely holding way back on the helicarrier. It looked like he intentionally tried to pin Hulk with Mjolnir so he could move in for the chokehold. It didn't work but Thor was hardly trying to beat down Hulk.Black Widow survived a glancing blow from Hulk, not a direct hit. The fact that he immediately stumbled into a wall after the glancing blow strongly suggests it. He was raging.
Likewise, the janitor said Hulk was awake *when he fell*. The fact that Banner awoke in the middle of a neat crater leads me to believe that the landing knocked him out. Hulk's crash landing startled some birds and the janitor watched him until he shrunk. Thor flew out of the capsule and into the ground...and walked away from it.
When it comes to the alien carriers Hulk took down one by himself. Thor has probably four. Hulk hanging the shrapnel into one carriers back didn't seem to bother it much at all...until Thor put some power into his swing and killed it, leaving electricity dancing over it's form.
Likewise Thor went to the tallest point closest to the portal to guard it. But it looked to me, just as in the forest and post helicarrier fall, the lightning goes to and is emitted from his hammer. Lightning does travel, and just like in Highlanders and their Quickening, it will dance over other metal surfaces
I think Hulk may have Thor in strength and durability, but Thor easily out-paces him in raw power.
Originally posted by Mindsetmmm
Just got done watching the movie again.Hulk almost killed Thor.
Lock this thread.
Originally posted by Mindset
Just got done watching the movie again.Hulk almost killed Thor.
Lock this thread.
dont recall that happening. there was one scene wher thor was holding back and trying to reason with hulk, and another scene where hulk punched , pardon me SUCKER punched thor. Was kinda funny actually. I dont remember thor's life ever being threatend by hulk?
Originally posted by zeel
dont recall that happening. there was one scene wher thor was holding back and trying to reason with hulk, and another scene where hulk punched , pardon me SUCKER punched thor. Was kinda funny actually. I dont remember thor's life ever being threatend by hulk?
Yep, I saw the same movie.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk wins.
Nah.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't even think Thor could phase Hulk with the lightning.
Speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8
Even if he could then Hulk would just get stronger.
Prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also Thor used the building to help charge the lightning against those aliens. Hulk isn't going to sit there and give Thor the luxury of that. The fact of the matter is Thor is not going to have much time to put much power into lightning. Without lightning Thor is toast easily.
Strange since on the Hellicarrier Thor had time to dodge Hulk's punches, summon Mjolnir to him, and give him a Mjolnir packed wallop which sent Hulk flying.
So I don't get how in an open environment, where Thor can fly, Thor won't have time to unleash his most potent attacks.
Originally posted by ozz81
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4myzTPGgXA&feature=related
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Even the actors can tell whose the most powerful. Chris Evans not being biased since he knows and admits Cap's the weakest. And mentions the Hulk's unmatchable strength.
Good analysis. He should come on these boards 🙂
Originally posted by ozz81
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4myzTPGgXA&feature=related
Nice find. Not really "proof" in any form, but it was pretty cool hearing their thoughts, and unbiased thoughts at that.
So I watched the movie again last night.
I do want to mention it doesn't look to me at all like the building is helping Thor in anyway.
It just seems to be residual energy flowing off of Thor used simply to show the potency of the attack he is about to release.
First off if he was using it to amp his attack it doesn't make sense cause you never see any energy flowing into the hammer from the building, it's always flowing out. It doesn't make sense he was it using to store energy for the attack cause it's only the top of the building that shown being energized. I would think launching the attack he was would have caused the whole building to show being energized.
I still just think Thor was getting to unleash a very powerful attack, and used the building to help brace himself and give him a good vantage point, and that the energy clearly flows into the building a residual visual image.
And also Thor didn't make Hulk bleed on the hellicarrier like I had originally thought.
Originally posted by Newjakthor doesn't need a building for vantage does he...couldnt he just fly and get even better vantage?
So I watched the movie again last night.I do want to mention it doesn't look to me at all like the building is helping Thor in anyway.
It just seems to be residual energy flowing off of Thor used simply to show the potency of the attack he is about to release.
First off if he was using it to amp his attack it doesn't make sense cause you never see any energy flowing into the hammer from the building, it's always flowing out. It doesn't make sense he was it using to store energy for the attack cause it's only the top of the building that shown being energized. I would think launching the attack he was would have caused the whole building to show being energized.
I still just think Thor was getting to unleash a very powerful attack, and used the building to help brace himself and give him a good vantage point, and that the energy clearly flows into the building a residual visual image.
And also Thor didn't make Hulk bleed on the hellicarrier like I had originally thought.
Originally posted by Starscream MI said brace himself to.
thor doesn't need a building for vantage does he...couldnt he just fly and get even better vantage?
Either he can't fire lightning at the same time as flying, or he was was trying to concentrate more on lightning then flying, or he was releasing such a powerful attack he needed to brace against something and couldn't do it in the air.
To me all of the above are way more likely then Thor amped off the building considering how the scene was depicted. I mean I was in the theater looking to see if the energy ever flowed from the building into to Thor and I couldn't see anything suggesting it did.
There's no visible sign that Thor used the building to amp we never see any energy going back into Thor from the building, and considering we know what his lightning attacks can do, amping from the building doesn't seem feasible, and seems more like a way for vs board people to try and take away from Thor's feat to prove it couldn't hurt Hulk.
I know in some cases the reverse is true where Thor people try and downplay Hulk's movie feats but that is not what I'm trying to do.
That lighnting attack imo opinion was the single most devastating attack shown in the movie sans nuke. Hulk's one shotting the Leviathan being the next one.
Now does that mean one attack from Thor is going to put Hulk down no, Hulk was a tough bastard for sure.
Originally posted by Newjak
I said brace himself to.Either he can't fire lightning at the same time as flying, or he was was trying to concentrate more on lightning then flying, or he was releasing such a powerful attack he needed to brace against something and couldn't do it in the air.
To me all of the above are way more likely then Thor amped off the building considering how the scene was depicted. I mean I was in the theater looking to see if the energy ever flowed from the building into to Thor and I couldn't see anything suggesting it did.
There's no visible sign that Thor used the building to amp we never see any energy going back into Thor from the building, and considering we know what his lightning attacks can do, amping from the building doesn't seem feasible, and seems more like a way for vs board people to try and take away from Thor's feat to prove it couldn't hurt Hulk.
I know in some cases the reverse is true where Thor people try and downplay Hulk's movie feats but that is not what I'm trying to do.
That lighnting attack imo opinion was the single most devastating attack shown in the movie sans nuke. Hulk's one shotting the Leviathan being the next one.
Now does that mean one attack from Thor is going to put Hulk down no, Hulk was a tough bastard for sure.
Lightning travels from the ground up. You know this right? Thor taking the buildings energy to amp is very feasible.
Originally posted by StoicYeah because that is exactly how Thor's lightning works right. It was always shown to go ground up.
Lightning travels from the ground up. You know this right? Thor taking the buildings energy to amp is very feasible.
I think it was shown that it travels in the exact opposite way when Thor uses it unless someone has a shot of it doing something different Thor's lighnting has never acted that way.
Also that doesn't make it more feasible at all even if it was the case. As it was clearly shown going into the hammer before anything. It's still more likely that it's just residual energy that got let off when Thor was charging up for his attack.