Avenger's Hulk was never physically damaged.
Bana-Hulk did not run at even Mach 1, it's stated somewhere by Ang Lee that he was running about about 300mph.
Norton-Hulk had the' angrier/more stress = stronger' factor, it was clearly shown in the last fight. Avenger's Hulk was strong enough a couple seconds after transforming to one-shot a dragon-ship; seems his base-strength is well above. Though as stated, Norton and Ruffalo Hulks are supposed to be from the same continuity.
Originally posted by RobtardBana-Hulk did not run at even Mach 1, it's stated somewhere by Ang Lee that he was running about about 300mph.
Where was this stated? He's still a lot faster than Avengers Hulk.
Originally posted by Robtard
Norton-Hulk had the' angrier/more stress = stronger' factor, it was clearly shown in the last fight.
When was that shown? Norton Hulk was having trouble standing when he got hit by Abom. He certainly wasn't getting stronger.
In Ang Lee's Hulk not only was it clearly shown but also specifically stated.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I like to think of them as all being the same Hulk.Hulk's feats and stats change all the time based on Banner's mindset and Hulk's increasing awareness in the comics. Or are they one and the same.
Bana Hulk and Norton/Ruffalo Hulk are made by different companies, so they're different Hulks. Bana Hulk essentially doesn't "count" anymore since Ruffalo Hulk is the one used by Marvel. Norton and Ruffalo Hulk are the same, just different actors because of that fiasco with Norton. That being said....Avenger's Hulk wins.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWhen was that shown? Norton Hulk was having trouble standing when he got hit by Abom. He certainly wasn't getting stronger.
In Ang Lee's Hulk not only was it clearly shown but also specifically stated.
In the final battle with Abom, Blonsky clearly had the upper hand. Then Betty almost got killed by the fire and Hulk got pissed. He put it out, then almost killed Abom in a few seconds until Betty stopped him. It was obvious that he was angry and got a lot stronger.
Abom was beating him silly. He was fazed, having trouble standing and never got stronger.
He won in the end using tactics. He smashed the floor then tied Abom up in the chain, and started pulling out and stabbing him with his own claws, all while he was strangling him the the chain.
Considering that and the fact that any superhero would get pissed and fight with more/better determination when their girl is in danger, you'll need better proof than that to say "it was clearly shown he gets stronger when he gets madder."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Abom was beating him silly. He was fazed, having trouble standing and never got stronger.He won in the end using tactics. He smashed the floor then tied Abom up in the chain, and started pulling out and stabbing him with his own claws, all while he was strangling him the the chain.
Considering that and the fact that any superhero would get pissed and fight with more/better determination when their girl is in danger, you'll need better proof than that to say "it was clearly shown he gets stronger when he gets madder."
It was shown in how he was able to pull abom ( a foe shown to be stronger then him) off of him once he saw Betty in danger. He physically was able to free himself enough to mount an offensive and then dominate him in combat.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Where was this stated? He's still a lot faster than Avengers Hulk.When was that shown? Norton Hulk was having trouble standing when he got hit by Abom. He certainly wasn't getting stronger.
In Ang Lee's Hulk not only was it clearly shown but also specifically stated.
Was an article around the time the film came out. Yes, he can definitely run a lot faster than Norton/Ruffalo hulk.
Abomination had him pinned against the wall and Hulk couldn't break free, Hulk saw Betty in danger, he growled; his eyes glowed greener and then he overpowered Abomination and put a massive beat-down on him. Clearly, anger/stress = more power.
Yes, this is true; it doesn't take away what the 2008 film showed though. Watch the final fight scene again, you'll see.
edit: I see Jalek basically covered the scene already.
Edit: Couldn't find the article, but did find this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286716/trivia
"According to the animators at Industrial Light & Magic, the Hulk weighs 3452 lbs, and can exert 14 tons of pressure/inch2. His skin is 10 times as strong as Kevlar. His chest measures 208 inches, his waist 130 inches, his foot 51 inches and his neck 81 inches. If he wore shoes, they would be size 87. He can move at a top speed of 300 mph and cross 3-4 miles in a single jump."
Originally posted by the ninjak
I like to think of them as all being the same Hulk.Hulk's feats and stats change all the time based on Banner's mindset and Hulk's increasing awareness in the comics. Or are they one and the same.
It is the same Hulk, despite the changes. Marvel had originally offered the reprisal role to Norton, but it didn't pan out. Rumors that it was a monetary issue and Norton being known for not playing well with others.
Originally posted by jalek moye
It was shown in how he was able to pull abom ( a foe shown to be stronger then him) off of him once he saw Betty in danger. He physically was able to free himself enough to mount an offensive and then dominate him in combat.
Originally posted by Robtard
Was an article around the time the film came out. Yes, he can definitely run a lot faster than Norton/Ruffalo hulk.Abomination had him pinned against the wall and Hulk couldn't break free, Hulk saw Betty in danger, he growled; his eyes glowed greener and then he overpowered Abomination and put a massive beat-down on him. Clearly, anger/stress = more power.
Yes, this is true; it doesn't take away what the 2008 film showed though. Watch the final fight scene again, you'll see.
That proves nothing. You guys are completely speculating. If we didn't know that Hulk from the comics gets stronger as he gets madder, there would be absolutely nothing in that film to make people start believing that.
Your basically taking a scene from the movie and trying to make it fit his comic power set.
With the Bana Hulk it was specifically shown how he'd get bigger and stronger as the fight goes on, and it was specifically mentioned by Betty.
Again you've both completely ignored my point that ANY Superhero fights better when he see's his girl in danger. Heck any one of us would fight better and with more determination if we saw our loved ones in danger.
So does that mean we all get stronger as we get madder??
No of course not.
His power set should not only be active with Betty around. In the comics and in Ang Lee's movie he gets stronger as the fight goes on, regardless of Betty.
Whilst the Norton Hulk did not show any such power. In fact he was clearly shown to get weaker as Abom landed hits on him.
Until we get clear evidence that Norton/Ruffalo Hulk does get stronger as the fight goes on (which we have not got in 2 movies so far) Bana Hulk stomps.
Edit- Also Healing power was specifically shown. And shown to be very impressive. Plus add his much greater speed, plus his ability to leap much much further, and yeah it's clear Bana Hulk stomps.
Even if Bana Hulk was s***
No, the implication was clear in the Norton film with that scene. Abomination is clearly the more powerful at the beginning of the fight, Abomination even states "that's all you got?", later when the stakes are higher, Hulk overpowers him and does so quickly.
Anger/stress = more power. Ignoring it cos it "wasn't directly stated" is deliberately being obtuse to what was shown.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, the implication was clear in the Norton film with that scene.
No it wasn't at all. Your seeing what you want to see. And implications do not equal proven abilities.
Originally posted by Robtard
Abomination is clearly the more powerful at the beginning of the fight, Abomination even states "that's all you got?",
And he remained stronger the whole fight? Why didn't Hulk get stronger? Why was he having trouble standing almost being knocked out?
Originally posted by Robtard
later when the stakes are higher, Hulk overpowers him and does so quickly.
Again you ignoring that in pretty much every movie, every hero fights better when there's more at stake (usually their girl). It's not proving anything.
Besides Hulk beat Abom with tactics. He was losing until he smashed the floor and wrapped Abom in that chain. Nothing showed him getting stronger. A lot of scenes however showed him getting weaker.
Originally posted by Robtard
Anger/stress = more power. Ignoring it cos it "wasn't directly stated" is deliberately being obtuse to what was shown.
Yeah except he never actually got more powerful. Frankly your just making shit up, and trying to pull your own baseless speculation (or implication as your calling it) off as fact.
That aint gonna roll on KMC boy!
Originally posted by KingD19
I wasn't stated that Hawkeye had superhuman accuracy, yet he no look almost behind the back shot a Chitauri flyer with enough accuracy to blow it up mid-flight.
They showed his accuracy. They didn't show Hulk gets stronger the longer he fights. They did show when he took a hard hit from Abom, he was in pain and almost brought to his knees. Yet never became more powerful as a result.
For you guys claiming it was clearly shown that Hulk got stronger because he pulled off Abom's arm with new determination...
Well I guess Sam Ramai also clearly showed Spiderman gets stronger as he gets madder right?
Because Green Goblin was kicking the crap out of him until he threatened MJ, then suddenly Spidey overpowered him..
So I guess Spidey also gets stronger the madder he gets, because it was clearly shown right??!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No it wasn't at all. Your seeing what you want to see. And implications do not equal proven abilities.And he remained stronger the whole fight? Why didn't Hulk get stronger? Why was he having trouble standing almost being knocked out?
Again you ignoring that in pretty much every movie, every hero fights better when there's more at stake (usually their girl). It's not proving anything.
Besides Hulk beat Abom with tactics. He was losing until he smashed the floor and wrapped Abom in that chain. Nothing showed him getting stronger. A lot of scenes however showed him getting weaker.
Yeah except he never actually got more powerful
What I'm seeing is what was clearly shown. His eyes even glowed greener as an indicator for the audience.
Huh? Hulk did get stronger at the end of the fight. This is what I am saying.
This wasn't just a "fights better", Hulk was clearly pinned and out-muscled, then the rage/stress kicked in and he used nothing but pure physical strength to overpower. It was even in the classic hand-clashed-together feat of strength.
Again, no. Hulk first overpowered the Abomination with nothing but strength (see above), the ass-beating tactics came after that scene.
Except for the scene where he clearly did (see above). I'd post it, but can't find it on youtube.
edit: Found it. Start from around 4:50. Hulk is clearly the noticeably weaker of the two, then anger/stress (5:16) kicks in; eyes glow (5:18) and he overpowers with nothing except physical strength: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944Uqb5xWh8
It's clear what the director was telling us.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER😆 that also applies to damn near every action movie
For you guys claiming it was clearly shown that Hulk got stronger because he pulled off Abom's arm with new determination...Well I guess Sam Ramai also clearly showed Spiderman gets stronger as he gets madder right?
Because Green Goblin was kicking the crap out of him until he threatened MJ, then suddenly Spidey overpowered him..
So I guess Spidey also gets stronger the madder he gets, because it was clearly shown right??!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
For you guys claiming it was clearly shown that Hulk got stronger because he pulled off Abom's arm with new determination...Well I guess Sam Ramai also clearly showed Spiderman gets stronger as he gets madder right?
Because Green Goblin was kicking the crap out of him until he threatened MJ, then suddenly Spidey overpowered him..
So I guess Spidey also gets stronger the madder he gets, because it was clearly shown right??!
You're being deliberately obtuse again.
GG had the advantage of his glider and that Spider-Man was trying to save people in the beginning of the fight, so he was able to trounce SM with gear/weapons, then he stopped to gloat, threatened MJ and SM pulled his act together. Anger can cause people to become stronger in general due to adrenaline.
But it's an apple to oranges comparing these two fights. Was GG never shown to be well above and beyond SM in terms of strength, as Abomination was clearly shown to be over the Hulk? IIRC, they were always close in the film.
Just watch the damned clip I posted.
Hulk clearly could get stronger the angrier he got.
He it happened twice in TIH. Once with Abom. The other time when he was getting hit by those sonic cannons.
Both times he was being beaten then he sees something happen. His eyes glow green and then he overcomes said beating.
I think both times showed him getting stronger.
Originally posted by Newjak
Hulk clearly could get stronger the angrier he got.He it happened twice in TIH. Once with Abom. The other time when he was getting hit by those sonic cannons.
Both times he was being beaten then he sees something happen. His eyes glow green and then he overcomes said beating.
I think both times showed him getting stronger.
You're absolutely right, I just watched that scene and his eyes do the glow right before he overcomes the sonic-waves.
Good call.