Hulk (Bana) vs Hulk (Rufflao)

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
LMAO hulk didn't punch that thing in half he punched its head down(denting it) causing it to roll on its back (due to the way its built) and be shot by iron man

and made the other change direction which bana hulk could do easily.

It wasn't in half. He punched it hard enough that it caved in it's head a bit and sent what appeared to be a shock-wave up it's body that broke apart its armored shell. That or those things are build so poorly they break apart when they go vertical.

I also posted that video to show the Leviathan's mass, and to show Hulk withstanding the alien barrage

Originally posted by Robtard
If you noticed, last time we see Thor before the big showdown he's in the field, looking at his hammer, his nose is still bleeding, he's not wearing his armored sleeves and his cape is gone, then he appears later in full armor, wearing his cape and all showered and cleaned/dressed up. So it stands to reason he cleaned/dressed himself up somewhere(maybe went back to the helicarrier?).

It's possible, he'd be the only one in that film to have the chance.

I agree.

Thor never once fought him in Full Power mode...

Seems Thor has two modes: regular mode and full power mode.

When he puts the armor on is when Thor Is "full power".

Do you agree?

I may not have paid too much attention to their fight on the carrier but I do not think Thor was wearing his armor when he fought Hulk.

Originally posted by Robtard
It wasn't in half. He punched it hard enough that it caved in it's head a bit and sent what appeared to be a shock-wave up it's body that broke apart its armored shell. That or those things are build so poorly they break apart when they go vertical.

I thought it was the extreme bending that was causing the armor plates to break.

Edit - Lestov, thanks for posting that vid. I hope you don't get into trouble for posting that.

I think when Thor summons his full armor, all his injuries are healed. That's what happened after he got his powers back in Thor.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree.

Thor never once fought him in Full Power mode...

Seems Thor has two modes: regular mode and full power mode.

When he puts the armor on is when Thor Is "full power".

Do you agree?

I may not have paid too much attention to their fight on the carrier but I do not think Thor was wearing his armor when he fought Hulk.

I thought it was the extreme bending that was causing the armor plates to break.

Edit - Lestov, thanks for posting that vid. I hope you don't get into trouble for posting that.

I don't know, at the beginning Thor was fighting the Hulk defensively; after the Hulk gave him a bloody nose he seemed to be "alright, that's how you want it" and then proceeded to hit Hulk in the face with a full-power blow, as it sent Hulk flying back a good 20-30 feet.

In the carrier fight he just had his breast-plate on, he lacked his armoured sleeves (I assume it's a full shirt) and cape.

Bending is possible, though they seem to be coming apart before the creature is fully vertical, but you may very well be correct. Either way, Hulk punched it and stopped something of that mass and he didn't slide back all that far. What would you say one of those things weighs? 200-300 tons?

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't know, at the beginning Thor was fighting the Hulk defensively; after the Hulk gave him a bloody nose he seemed to be "alright, that's how you want it" and then proceeded to hit Hulk in the face with a full-power blow, as it sent Hulk flying back a good 20-30 feet.

In the carrier fight he just had his breast-plate on, he lacked his armoured sleeves (I assume it's a full shirt) and cape.

Yes, that's what I mean. I do not know what his sleeves mean, but it would appear that it is his "full power" mode. Maybe it's just more protection. I do know that Thor's gauntlets and belt (megingjord), in the comics, are power amps. They could be trying to supplant his gauntlets or belt for the shirt...or something.

Originally posted by Robtard
Bending is possible, though they seem to be coming apart before the creature is fully vertical, but you may very well be correct. Either way, Hulk punched it and stopped something of that mass and he didn't slide back all that far. What would you say one of those things weighs? 200-300 tons?

I estimated, because they do not appear to be 100 feet, but do appear to be 70-80 feet, to be around 40-70 tons. They are not a large, in dimensions, as blue whales. Blue whales appear to be thicker and as well as longer...yes homo. However, they are wearing armor. So that should bump up their weight to "young adult" blue whales.

However, compare that to the large rock Bana's Hulk threw towards the end of the movie. I estimated, conservatively, that it was a perfect cylinder (despite it clearly being thicker at the top). Comes to about 248.x tons. I rounded up to 250. Hulk throws that rock hundreds of feet after tearing it out of the side of a cliff. There's no doubt that Bana's Hulk is much stronger in orders of magnitude.

Originally posted by KingD19
I think when Thor summons his full armor, all his injuries are healed. That's what happened after he got his powers back in Thor.

Okay, makes sense.

It could also make him stronger/add more durability, too. When Thor was fighting the frost giants, it appeared to make him invincible.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Hulk throws that rock hundreds of feet after tearing it out of the side of a cliff. There's no doubt that Bana's Hulk is much stronger in orders of magnitude.

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People are just judging from Ruffalo Hulk's Uber punch and not considering different ways of measuring strength.

Like how far you can throw an object. And Bana Hulk was throwing pretty heavy stuff pretty damn far.

We also forget how Large Bana Hulk was so people may underestimate the size of the objects he was throwing.

Plus let's not forget how far Bana Hulk could leap due to the strength of his Leg muscles!

And his durability was insane too. The Jets chasing him blew up that whole mountain range on top of him.

So add that level of strength and durability to Wolverine type healing abilities and to the rate and ease with which Bana Hulk would increase strength, and it's pretty obvious Ruffalo Hulk is kind of outclassed here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I estimated, because they do not appear to be 100 feet, but do appear to be 70-80 feet, to be around 40-70 tons. They are not a large, in dimensions, as blue whales. Blue whales appear to be thicker and as well as longer...yes homo. However, they are wearing armor. So that should bump up their weight to "young adult" blue whales.

Virginia-class sub

However, I do agree with your assessment regarding the boulder Bana Hulk threw. When I googled up images for 300 ton boulder, the sizes were comparable (at least as far as I remember).

Originally posted by Mindship
Gotta disagree with you here, dude. In the attached image at the bottom, look at how big this thing is compared to the buildings (even the one in the foreground). I would estimate at least 4 stories (40 feet) thick, and at least 10x that in length (400'😉. At 4x the length of a blue whale and at least 2x the thickness (especially at the tail end), we're talking 4e3x or 64x the mass (let's round down to 60). Typical adult blue whale weighs, what? 150 tons? So a leviathan must weigh several thousand tons. Basically, IMO, we're looking at a flying Virginia-class submarine. Also, living in NYC, I've had several occasion to be near the full size blue whale model in the American Museum of Natural History, and I can tell ya, that whale model is no where near the size of a leviathan.

Virginia-class sub

However, I do agree with your assessment regarding the boulder Bana Hulk threw. When I googled up images for 300 ton boulder, the sizes were comparable (at least as far as I remember).

I disagree, of course.

Additionally, the behemoths were rather thin from a "face on" perspective. Much thinner than blue whales. They are smaller than adult blue whales. So they have two different dimensions in which they are smaller than blue whales. A blue whale does weigh as much as 200 tons. Throw in that plated armor, which is not very thick, and that probably adds quite a bit of tonnage to their weight. So I bump them up to, at most, 70 tons. There's no way they are 200 tons, like a full grown blue whale, because they are smaller in length and thickness. Also, that sub is larger than the behemoths. It is also much much denser.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree, of course.

Additionally, the behemoths were rather thin from a "face on" perspective. Much thinner than blue whales. They are smaller than adult blue whales. So they have two different dimensions in which they are smaller than blue whales. A blue whale does weigh as much as 200 tons. Throw in that plated armor, which is not very thick, and that probably adds quite a bit of tonnage to their weight. So I bump them up to, at most, 70 tons. There's no way they are 200 tons, like a full grown blue whale, because they are smaller in length and thickness. Also, that sub is larger than the behemoths. It is also much much denser.

Originally posted by Mindship
I don't agree with what you say, sir, but I will defend with my life your right to say it. At the very least, I would yell at someone.

I went and looked at the video Lestov posted. I agree with you: it is bigger than a blue whale. The leviathan is much "taller" than a blue whale. It's plates also seem to be thicker than I thought.

I am unable to quantify the weight of the leviathan. Only thing I know is Hulk stopped the head and the momentum of the body carried it over itself.

That's not as easily quantifiable as Hulk throwing a 250 tonne rock hundreds of meters.

If we assume the leviathan is even twice as massive as a blue whale, that still does not come close to comparing to Bana's Hulk tossing a 250 tonne rock a few hundred meters. That would be like Ruffalo's Hulk grabbing the leviathan and throwing it a hundred meters or so which he did not come close to doing.

edit -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffbpictures/6714496041/lightbox/

Looks similar in size, but not as tall as the behemoths.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If we assume the leviathan is even twice as massive as a blue whale, that still does not come close to comparing to Bana's Hulk tossing a 250 tonne rock a few hundred meters. That would be like Ruffalo's Hulk grabbing the leviathan and throwing it a hundred meters or so which he did not come close to doing.

Looks similar in size, but not as tall as the behemoths.

The above aside, overall, Bana Hulk does seem closest to Comics Hulk (especially in the leaping department). But when he used a piece of tank to tank a tank shot: that just doesn't sit right with me. Otherwise, I would definitely be rooting for Bana Hulk...though I still wouldn't be convinced Ruffalo Hulk couldn't have done likewise.

Designwise, though, I like Ruffalo Hulk best. Bana Hulk's thighs were too stumpy, and Norton Hulk was too thin-waisted. However, while Ruffalo's face was best translated into Hulk face, Norton Hulk face was the most realistic (imho).

Ruffalo wins

Originally posted by Mindship
But when he used a piece of tank to tank a tank shot: that just doesn't sit right with me.

Hulk had been shot twice, previously, but those tanks. It probably doesn't tickle. Of course he'd use some shielding. He doesn't like the bullets, either.

Originally posted by Mindship
Otherwise, I would definitely be rooting for Bana Hulk...though I still wouldn't be convinced Ruffalo Hulk couldn't have done likewise.

I agree that Ruffalo Hulk could tank those tank shells (lol?). He took a barrage of shots from the aliens that were on par with small tank shells.

Originally posted by Mindship
Designwise, though, I like Ruffalo Hulk best. Bana Hulk's thighs were too stumpy, and Norton Hulk was too thin-waisted. However, while Ruffalo's face was best translated into Hulk face, Norton Hulk face was the most realistic (imho).

I liked Bana's hulk design, best. However, I want to move the striated muscular Hulk flesh design over onto Bana's Hulk. That would be the best overall look for a live-action Hulk, imo.

Haven't seen the Avengers yet but Rufflao's Hulk looks pretty badass. Bana's Hulk was more oversized than anything else, if you ask me. Had some impressive strength feats, but was just too damn big.

I always preferred Bana as Hulk, I've been saying that for a years, he just looks right and I actually liked Hulk from 2003 even though it got much flak.

Hated Edward Norton.... Had to say it.... Ruffalo was pretty cool but Bana is Hulk.