WW3 Black Adam vs. Thor

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Except, as I said, I am not talking about consciously activated abilities like Surfer, having to specifically decide to use a particular power. I'm talking about a passive attribute; speed.

And Flash is certainly above MANY people's abilities to beat in a forum. It's going to take more than a typical top tier hero to do so. What is the problem with this when we know what his abilities are?

Regardless, We also are not writing stories, we are arguing hypothetical fights with these characters at their best. If Surfer can beat someone 10/10 using a particular strategy, and he specifically knows he can win using that strategy, and he's TRYING to win, then there's pretty much nothing more that can be said other than predicting that he MIGHT NOT choose to use it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
My my.

The dignity salvaging, semi-diplomatic last word, non-concession concession attempt. Certainly not predicted. Certainly.

Remember to pat your own back as well, speaking about me doing so.

I also like the sneaky appeal to popularity fallacy attempt buried there and the useless qualifier of 'comics' within the argument--as if that medium of fiction is somehow exempt from the same application of logic, in favor of impasse prone subjectivity, vs any other mediums--other fiction included. 🙂

... and pattin his own back... ahah

... and such a sneaky... populist. sneer

... silly Smurph, so silly. excellent

Ill go with Thor, more than not, but BA will make him work for it big time. Theres nothing Ive seen BA do that Thor couldnt, while I cant say the same for BA in return.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm afraid I'm the only one using logic to begin with.

Feats = logic.

Not when the nature of power levels is not set in stone.

You're not seeing the bigger picture.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, I'll go back on topic.

If we are arguing characterisation, surely the WW3 version of Black Adam DID speed blitz - he did kill the entire population of Bialya and destroyed its military infrastrucutre in 2 days, along with that Horseman. That's pretty much impossible without using superspeed.

I don't think the argument is whether Adam has superspeed. Of course he does.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You, and others, have time and again failed to actually address the faults I've outlined regarding the marriage attempts of character and powersets, most specifically when it comes to speed, ESPECIALLY, because of contradictory wording of the rules at hand--'operating at your best', PIS/CIS off--these are provisions within the rules of course.

Even in the Black Bolt thread, I went through it at length with Pr, why his reasoning of character over powerset is faulty on principle, and I was given absolutely no retort in the end. Not by him, and not by you, in the end all you ended up doing was attempt to piggyback after the fact and say 'we got a mod ruling here' or some such.

You contributed nothing of note, not in that thread, nor will you here as is obvious right now, and it seems labeling people 'troll' is the only recourse you have left. Unfortunately, all it smacks of is you trying to convince yourself of it, to feign some 'dignity' as the reasoning for your lack of ability (or willingness, whichever) to attempt constructively responding to me. 🙂

You weren't given a response because:

A) You weren't following the rules.
B) Your faults are only faults by your own opinion. Not factual ones.
C) You were going on like a broken record.
D) You couldn't understand how your logic was inherently faulty.
E) Your seeming lack of understanding of the actual rules.

See, I have to keep adding to the list...

Originally posted by -Pr-
D) You couldn't understand how your logic was inherently faulty.

I know it's a risky thing to basically say that "Yes, they would be untouchable to Thor, Hulk etc." in a forum match, but if you want to go with the "well, that's not what would happen in a comic fight", you also have to freely acknowledge that you're calling Black Adam, Superman, Flash and everybody else with sufficient level of superspeed functionally retarded.

That's not an exageration, because even at the age of 3, I knew how to dodge something that has snail-level speed, because I wouldn't want to get hurt. And I also knew that if I want to catch a snail, or tortoise, I wouldn't move at the same level of speed with them, if I have exponentially larger one.

"CIS" doesn't stand for "everybody is retarded".

I wish I had the gift of brevity.

But yeah, like I said as well, you'd have to think Black Adam is retarded if fighting 'in-character' means he's going to stand around and wait several minutes (possibly more) for one blow to land.

This is why, particular for speed, it is pretty much impossible to marry the two terms 'best of their ability', and 'in-character'. You have to pick one or the other. Either they are fast enough to be untouchable to people who don't have the reflexes demonstrated to touch them, or they
are retarded--which is so far out of character (ironically) that you would have to revise that to them deliberately letting the hits land, as opposed to just being flat out retarded, and that makes things even more sour for the slow party arguers, that again; the only chance their slow guy has of winning is through the faster guy deliberately giving them a chance.

vin

could go either way. any version of adam has a chance against thor. However thor is just more powerful then Adam. Without the hammer though thor would be wasted by adam. Adam was powered by multiple gods however he dosent really have any special abilities that thor cannot handle.