Sebastion Shaw Vs. The Avengers

Originally posted by Robtard
Shaw took a grenade in his hands and then a RPG to the head, I think he can absorb energy nigh-instantly.

IIRC, Shaw's powers were down due to Xavier being in his head at the moment.

That is pure energy however, a sudden burst, have we seen how he handles being hit by a character with the strength level of Hulk?

As I understand it Shaw's power was based on him requiring to move to absorb the energy, hence my question on what would happen if he was sqeeshed, and as such couldn't really move.

IIRC, I don't think he had to move to absorb energy, he had not problem sucking up the sub's nuclear reactor. He was also standing still when the CIA security guards were shooting him.

At the end of the movie Magneto was slamming him with metal and he just absorbed the kinetic energy and they instantly stopped moving. He didn't have to move or anything. He'd do the same to one of the Hulk's punches imo. And then punch him back with the energy.

Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, I don't think he had to move to absorb energy, he had not problem sucking up the sub's nuclear reactor. He was also standing still when the CIA security guards were shooting him.

My point is that every time he was struck his body was in motion, you see his body react when it's hit by the bullet, you see his face going from side to side when he is drawing power from the nuclear reactor, that is what I mean with having to move to absorb it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
At the end of the movie Magneto was slamming him with metal and he just absorbed the kinetic energy and they instantly stopped moving. He didn't have to move or anything. He'd do the same to one of the Hulk's punches imo. And then punch him back with the energy.

wasn't he just pulling them down around Shaw?

Originally posted by Utrigita
My point is that every time he was struck his body was in motion, you see his body react when it's hit by the bullet, you see his face going from side to side when he is drawing power from the nuclear reactor, that is what I mean with having to move to absorb it.

Seems like absorbing energy causes his body to move/react, not he needs to move to absorb energy. He was standing still with his hand out when the grenade exploded, as another example.

Originally posted by Utrigita
wasn't he just pulling them down around Shaw?

No, he smacks him right in the head a few times. They were full-on strikes. I just checked. He does stagger a bit though.

So basically Shaw is invincible to non-speedsters because it would take someone with enough speed to beat the shit out of him before he can activate his powers, amirite?

Basically.

Sebastion Shaw of First Class is in the unique position among superhero movies of being possibly the most broken character to be in one (While Superman and others are more powerful, Shaw's powers effectively resemble cheating, "lul ur attack can't hurt me and just makes me stronger i win"😉.

Magneto's attacks were doing jack-diddly to him, and Magneto's magnetic "strength" for lack of better term at least rivals Hulk's physical strength.

Shaw wins by taking enough hits to allow him to take out the team.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seems like absorbing energy causes his body to move/react, not he needs to move to absorb energy. He was standing still with his hand out when the grenade exploded, as another example.

Yet his hands reacted and moved outwards, and then he forced the energy into his own body. What I mean is that Shaw requiring to move in some way, shape or form, is the only logical conclusion I can find to why the Coin could move through his skull, but as said before I also think this clearly shows that Shaw's durability doesn't increase with the energy he absorbs.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he smacks him right in the head a few times. They were full-on strikes. I just checked. He does stagger a bit though.

Will have to check, I can't recall. But I still find it strange that he ran from Magneto's anchor.

If Magneto sunk the ship while he was on it, he would have drowned.

He can't absorb water! Except through the mouth! awecraz

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet his hands reacted and moved outwards, and then he forced the energy into his own body. What I mean is that Shaw requiring to move in some way, shape or form, is the only logical conclusion I can find to why the Coin could move through his skull, but as said before I also think this clearly shows that Shaw's durability doesn't increase with the energy he absorbs.

He only needs to use his hands when he wants to gain energy around him, e.g an explosion that spreads omni-directionally. Anything that strikes him directly gets absorbed without Shaw having to consciously absorb it. Personally I think he uses his hands because the writers thought it looked cool, how else are they gonna make it look like he is absorbing the energy of a grenade for example - just standing there?

The coin scene is just broken whichever way you look at it. A coin moving at that speed would've simply pushed his head back, not enter it. That's the bottom line. I've thought about counter-arguments but they all have answers. Writers simply not thinking about the physics/logic of that scene is the most obvious reason, any other explanation is just trying to somehow rationalize the scene to fit a certain theory.

As others have said, Shaw was stronger than Hulk when he fought Magneto at the end. He was completely at ease against Magneto that was giving everything he had pushing that metal beam. The same Magneto that just lifted a submarine - deep underwater, and travelling in the opposite direction.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
So basically Shaw is invincible to non-speedsters because it would take someone with enough speed to beat the shit out of him before he can activate his powers, amirite?

I don't believe he even needs to "activate" it when energy strikes him directly.

Here's an interesting question. Since we know Cap's shieldis a special material that absorbs energy as well. If Cap launched it at Shaw does anyone think it would be able to counter Shaw's powers?

And thus would he basically act like a normal human when being hit by the shield?

Originally posted by Newjak
Here's an interesting question. Since we know Cap's shieldis a special material that absorbs energy as well. If Cap launched it at Shaw does anyone think it would be able to counter Shaw's powers?

And thus would he basically act like a normal human when being hit by the shield?

The shield absorbs and redistributes the power of an attack, pretty much like Shaw, but it does move due to force (or else Cap wouldn't be able to throw it in the first place).

The only way I see the shield working to the team's advantage is if they can attach it to Shaw and then hit the shield to prevent Shaw from getting any energy transfer.

Originally posted by Placidity
He only needs to use his hands when he wants to gain energy around him, e.g an explosion that spreads omni-directionally. Anything that strikes him directly gets absorbed without Shaw having to consciously absorb it. Personally I think he uses his hands because the writers thought it looked cool, how else are they gonna make it look like he is absorbing the energy of a grenade for example - just standing there?

The coin scene is just broken whichever way you look at it. A coin moving at that speed would've simply pushed his head back, not enter it. That's the bottom line. I've thought about counter-arguments but they all have answers. Writers simply not thinking about the physics/logic of that scene is the most obvious reason, any other explanation is just trying to somehow rationalize the scene to fit a certain theory.

As others have said, Shaw was stronger than Hulk when he fought Magneto at the end. He was completely at ease against Magneto that was giving everything he had pushing that metal beam. The same Magneto that just lifted a submarine - deep underwater, and travelling in the opposite direction.

It's more a way of coming up with a explanation as to why the coin worked, when other objects like bullets did not, and in that regard I found that the only logical scenario I could come up with was Shaw's inability to move or act like he did every other time he absorbed energy.

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't believe he even needs to "activate" it when energy strikes him directly.

Sure he does. Otherwise, Magneto wouldn't have been able to beat him. Xavier was basically preventing his powers from activiating.

Shaw is retarded.

There. Said it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It's more a way of coming up with a explanation as to why the coin worked, when other objects like bullets did not, and in that regard I found that the only logical scenario I could come up with was Shaw's inability to move or act like he did every other time he absorbed energy.

Bullets move at sufficient velocities to penetrate a human skull, a slow moving coin doesn't. The problem is the scene was not thought-out and illogical (physically impossible), yet people try to rationalize it somehow, it doesn't work.

Originally posted by ares834
Sure he does. Otherwise, Magneto wouldn't have been able to beat him. Xavier was basically preventing his powers from activiating.

I've already posted my explanations for this, some of it again in the above comment.