Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which is?
Well, according to you, it's not the Mormons. But you are just as far away from Christianity as the Mormons are. Or does it matter? Anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian. That means Mormons are also Christians. So, ether there is a direct linage church, that you are not a member of, or it doesn't matter. In which case, Mormons are Christian as much as you are.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, according to you, it's not the Mormons. But you are just as far away from Christianity as the Mormons are. Or does it matter? Anyone who believes in Jesus is a Christian. That means Mormons are also Christians. So, ether there is a direct linage church, that you are not a member of, or it doesn't matter. In which case, Mormons are Christian as much as you are.
Direct lineage?
I don't follow what you mean by direct lineage.
There is no such animal as direct lineage in Christianity.
The Lord Jesus commissioned His apostles to preach the gospel (i.e. the good news that humanity can be redeemed from the wages of sin and receive eternal life) starting in Jerusalem, then Samaria, and ultimately to the ends of the earth.
The purpose was so that people could be born again, into the family of God.
As each person receives Jesus Christ as Savior (i.e. confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, believing on Him, believing in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead), that person does not just become a disciple of the Lord Jesus--but a child of the living God.
Moreover, each disciple of the Lord Jesus should endeavor to make other disciples. Disciples of the Lord Jesus have been making other disciples for 2,000 years now.
But as far as direct lineage I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
The Lord Jesus started His church with twelve apostles that multiplied to 120 disciples, and his disciples have been expanding ever since.
You allege that I am far from Christianity. In what way? How?
Christianity is a Person not an organization. I know the Person that Christianity is named for, so how can I be far from Christianity as you claim?
I definitely do not share the heretical beliefs of the Mormon cult so I don't know why you would classify me with them.
I never denied that Mormons believed in Jesus Christ.
But the issue concerning what Mormons believe is not that simple.
Mormons believe many things about the Trinity, the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit that many Christians--myself included--do not believe. In fact, many of those beliefs are downright blasphemy and uber heretical.
Here are some Mormon beliefs:
• the Bible has errors and problems
• man can become a god,
• Jesus Christ was created and that he is a god (notice the little "g"😉
• Jesus Christ is not God (i.e. not the second Person in the Godhead)
• the Lord Jesus was lucifer's spirit brother
• how God was once a man who became God, and has many wives and lives on or near the planet Kolob
So you can't just glibly say that someone who believes in Jesus is a
Christian.
Find out first what they believe about Jesus.
If they believe that that the Lord Jesus was in the beginning with God,
that the Lord Jesus is God (i.e. the second Person in the one Godhead),
that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh,
died for the sins of the world,
that He shed His precious Blood to redeem fallen, sinful humanity,
was buried,
that the Lord Jesus Christ rose on the third day,
that the Lord Jesus is the Son of God (i.e. having intrinisically divine essence and nature just like His Father God and is uncreated),
that all things were created by Jesus Christ,
that Jesus Christ is coming again (physically, bodily, and that every eye shall see Him, including those who pierced Him).
Then and only then can it be said of Mormons (or anyone for that matter) that they believe in Jesus.
To deny just one of those Truths is to contradict the Word of God, and to deny the true identity of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Direct lineage?I don't follow what you mean by direct lineage.
There is no such animal as direct lineage in Christianity.
The Lord Jesus commissioned His apostles to preach the gospel (i.e. the good news that humanity can be redeemed from the wages of sin and receive eternal life) starting in Jerusalem, then Samaria, and ultimately to the ends of the earth.
You say there is no direct lineage, and then you just described the direct lineage. I’m not talking about father to child; I am talking about person to person, church to church. You are not part of this.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The purpose was so that people could be born again, into the family of God.As each person receives Jesus Christ as Savior (i.e. confesses Jesus Christ as Lord, believing on Him, believing in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead), that person does not just become a disciple of the Lord Jesus--but a child of the living God.
Moreover, each disciple of the Lord Jesus should endeavor to make other disciples. Disciples of the Lord Jesus have been making other disciples for 2,000 years now…
A direct lineage… If you are not a member of one of the established churches of the world, then you are not a part of this.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You allege that I am far from Christianity. In what way? How?
You are not a member of this line of churches you just described to me.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Christianity is a Person not an organization. I know the Person that Christianity is named for, so how can I be far from Christianity as you claim?
You have taken personification to an idiotic extreme. The church is an organization of people who have belief in common.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I definitely do not share the heretical beliefs of the Mormon cult so I don't know why you would classify me with them.I never denied that Mormons believed in Jesus Christ.
But the issue concerning what Mormons believe is not that simple.
I don’t care about what Mormons believe.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So you can't just glibly say that someone who believes in Jesus is a
Christian.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You say there is no direct lineage, and then you just described the direct lineage. I’m not talking about father to child; I am talking about person to person, church to church. You are not part of this.A direct lineage… If you are not a member of one of the established churches of the world, then you are not a part of this.
You are not a member of this line of churches you just described to me.
You have taken personification to an idiotic extreme. The church is an organization of people who have belief in common.
I don’t care about what Mormons believe.
Why not? Someone who believes in the teachings of Buddha is considered a Buddhist regardless of how differently they believe from me.
When you say member what do you mean?
The body of Christ is a spiritual organism--we are not a physical organization. We are composed of those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
What line of churches?
A person can be a Buddhist no matter how differently they believe from you because Buddha is not the Savior of the world. Buddhism is just another path to the wide gate and the broad way that leads millions into Hell.
Question: Who died on the cross for the sins of the world?
Was it the church?
Was it a church denomination?
Was it a religious organization, church committee, church board, the apostles of the Lamb, the Catholic church, the Mormon church?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
When you say member what do you mean?
A member is someone who has joined an organization.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The body of Christ is a spiritual organism--we are not a physical organization. We are composed of those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then there was no reason for Jesus to form his church.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What line of churches?
The one that Jesus started.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
A person can be a Buddhist no matter how differently they believe from you because Buddha is not the Savior of the world. Buddhism is just another path to the wide gate and the broad way that leads millions into Hell.
Hell is not a place you go when you die.
Many Christians believe differently then you do. Should I point out that they are members of the church that Jesus started where as you are not?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Question: Who died on the cross for the sins of the world?
No one!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Was it the church?Was it a church denomination?
Was it a religious organization, church committee, church board, the apostles of the Lamb, the Catholic church, the Mormon church?
However, Jesus thought it was important enough to establish a church before he died.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A member is someone who has joined an organization.Then there was no reason for Jesus to form his church.
The one that Jesus started.
Hell is not a place you go when you die.
Many Christians believe differently then you do. Should I point out that they are members of the church that Jesus started where as you are not?
No one!
However, Jesus thought it was important enough to establish a church before he died.
Like I said before Christianity is not an organization it is a Person. You don't join Christianity you surrender your life to a Person.
Now I believe that we are dealing with true semantics.
I wouldn't say that the Lord Jesus formed anything. Those who love God, hate sin, and desire to spend eternity with God are called out of this world so to speak and into the Kingdom of God's dear Son.
Jesus never started a church.
What the Lord did was affect men, women, and children's lives in such a powerful way that those people confess Him as Lord, believe that God has raised Him from the dead, and follow Him, wherever He goes-- because He is the good Shepherd Who gave His life for the sheep.
The everlasting fire (i.e. Hell) was prepared for the devil and his angels. Hell is so terrible that if any part of your body causes you to sin, it would be better to sever it and enter life (i.e. Heaven) without that member than to keep it and be cast into the everlasting fire.
Matthew 18:8-9
8 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.
The Lord Jesus talked about Hell. The Bible reveals that Jesus never sinned nor was deceit found in His mouth.
So since the Lord Jesus talked about Hell being a real place that people go who die in their sins, it is true because He cannot lie.
What people are members of the church that Jesus started?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Like I said before Christianity is not an organization it is a Person. You don't join Christianity you surrender your life to a Person.
Why not try and communicate with other people instead of hiding behind terminology? All I see is you making excuses about not being a member of a Christian church.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Now I believe that we are dealing with true semantics.
OK, at least you realize…
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I wouldn't say that the Lord Jesus formed anything. Those who love God, hate sin, and desire to spend eternity with God are called out of this world so to speak and into the Kingdom of God's dear Son.
Then you don’t believe in all of the bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus never started a church.
Not according to the bible. I at least I remember that much.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The everlasting fire (i.e. Hell) was prepared for the devil and his angels. Hell is so terrible that if any part of your body causes you to sin, it would be better to sever it and enter life (i.e. Heaven) without that member than to keep it and be cast into the everlasting fire.
You might as well believe in unicorns.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What people are members of the church that Jesus started?
Humans.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Nowhere in the Bible is any believer instructed to join a denomination.Once a believer is born again that new believer should prayerfully ask the Lord to lead him/her to a church where he/she can assemble with other believers of like precious faith, be fed the Word of God, grow spiritually, and serve.
But nowhere in the Word of God is any believer commanded to join a denomination.
I assemble myself with other believers on a weekly basis, but we are a non-denominational congregation.
We do not espouse denominational titles because Christ Jesus did not instruct us to.
[b]Besides all denominational titles do is cause division in the body of Christ, instead of helping believers to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, and edifying the body of Christ, until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God.
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* in Romans 12:9, it was commanded to cleave or JOIN that which is good, you should look it up sometime...
* we are commanded to examine the spirits if they are of God (I John 4:1)...
* we are commanded to know the doctrine if they are of God (John 7:17), and the preacher if they are of God (John 7:18)...
* why? because there are false religions (James 1:26)...
* but there is a pure religion (the church that Jesus built) that we must join (James 1:27)...
* and for starters --- you cannot unite all denominations of Christianity because there is only one true church or religion, all others are fake...
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus never started a church.
* try reading Matthew 16:16-18...
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What people are members of the church that Jesus started?
* the one you are not a member of, unfortunately...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why not try and communicate with other people instead of hiding behind terminology? All I see is you making excuses about not being a member of a Christian church.OK, at least you realize…
Then you don’t believe in all of the bible.
Not according to the bible. I at least I remember that much.
You might as well believe in unicorns.
Humans.
I'm not hiding behind terminology, I'm declaring to you the whole counsel of God expressed through His Word.
When I say that the Lord Jesus did not start a church, I am speaking semantically. My purpose is to dispel the the myth that the church is something that a person joins. You do not join the church (speaking semantically) of the Lord Jesus, you become born again into the family of God. You become a member (i.e. part of the spiritual organism that is Christ's body). You become a part of those are called-out ones. That's what church means i.e. the called-out ones. You are a child of God. You are redeemed from your sins. It's all semantics.
Hell is very real.
The Lord Jesus went to Hades (i.e. Hell) for three days and nights immediately following His death on the cross. There He preached to the spirits who were in prison, led captivity captive, and took back the keys of death and Hades.
Originally posted by peejayd
* in Romans 12:9, it was [b]commanded to cleave or JOIN that which is good, you should look it up sometime...* we are commanded to examine the spirits if they are of God (I John 4:1)...
* we are commanded to know the doctrine if they are of God (John 7:17), and the preacher if they are of God (John 7:18)...
* why? because there are false religions (James 1:26)...
* but there is a pure religion (the church that Jesus built) that we must join (James 1:27)...
* and for starters --- you cannot unite all denominations of Christianity because there is only one true church or religion, all others are fake...
* try reading Matthew 16:16-18...
* the one you are not a member of, unfortunately... [/B]
What's your point in citing Romans 12:9? I have already stated that I attend church regularly. I attend a non-denominational church.
I never said anything about uniting denominations. The Lord Jesus did not institute denominations--satan did, to create division and confusion.
Listen, every person who genuinely comes to Christ is born again into the family of God. He/she is a member of the body of Christ (spiritually), and perhaps a local body of believers (physically). All who genuinely profess or name the Name of Christ, and who truly believe on Him are one in Christ. What we need to do is endeavor to speak the same things and maintain our unity in Christ.
You allege that I am not a member of Christ's church but yet you fail to substatiate your claim.
Do you even know what the church is?
Do you know who it is composed of?
Do you know how a person becomes a member of Christs's body?
Neither baptism, nor communion, church attendance, nor reading the Bible makes a person a member of Christ's body (i.e. saved or born again).
The only thing that makes a person a member of Christ's body is that person's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation are instantly baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ's body i.e. the church.
Now once a person is born again i.e. baptized into Christ's body the church, he/she should then be baptized, partake of communion, attend a local church, and read his/her Bible.
When I say that the Lord Jesus did not start a church, I am speaking semantically. My purpose is to dispel the the myth that the church is something that a person joins.
You do not join the church (speaking semantically) of the Lord Jesus, you become born again into the family of God, baptized His Spirit into Christ's spiritual body i.e. the church. You become a member (i.e. part of the spiritual organism that is Christ's body). You become a part of those are called-out ones. That's what church means i.e. the called-out ones. You are a child of God. You are redeemed from your sins.
It's all semantics.
Originally posted by peejayd
* in Romans 12:9, it was [b]commanded to cleave or JOIN that which is good, you should look it up sometime...* we are commanded to examine the spirits if they are of God (I John 4:1)...
* we are commanded to know the doctrine if they are of God (John 7:17), and the preacher if they are of God (John 7:18)...
* why? because there are false religions (James 1:26)...
* but there is a pure religion (the church that Jesus built) that we must join (James 1:27)...
* and for starters --- you cannot unite all denominations of Christianity because there is only one true church or religion, all others are fake...
* try reading Matthew 16:16-18...
* the one you are not a member of, unfortunately... [/B]
What's your point in citing Romans 12:9? I have already stated that I attend church regularly. I attend a non-denominational church.
I never said anything about uniting denominations. The Lord Jesus did not institute denominations--satan did, to create division and confusion.
Listen, every person who genuinely comes to Christ is born again into the family of God. He/she is a member of the body of Christ (spiritually), and perhaps a local body of believers (physically). All who genuinely profess or name the Name of Christ, and who truly believe on Him are one in Christ.
What we need to do is endeavor to speak the same things and maintain our unity in Christ.
You allege that I am not a member of Christ's church but yet you fail to substatiate your claim.
Do you even know what the church is?
Do you know who it is composed of?
Do you know how a person becomes a member of Christs's body?
Neither baptism, nor communion, church attendance, nor reading the Bible makes a person a member of Christ's body (i.e. saved or born again).
The only thing that makes a person a member of Christ's body is that person's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation are instantly baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ's body i.e. the church.
Now once a person is born again i.e. baptized into Christ's body the church, he/she should then be baptized, partake of communion, attend a local church, and read his/her Bible.
When I say that the Lord Jesus did not start a church, I am speaking semantically. My purpose is to dispel the the myth that the church is something that a person joins.
You do not join the church (speaking semantically) of the Lord Jesus, you become born again into the family of God, baptized by His Spirit into Christ's spiritual body i.e. the church. You become a member (i.e. part of the spiritual organism that is Christ's body). You become a part of those who are referred to as the called-out ones. That's what church means i.e. the called-out ones. You are a child of God. You are redeemed from your sins.
It's all semantics.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why not try and communicate with other people instead of hiding behind terminology? All I see is you making excuses about not being a member of a Christian church.OK, at least you realize…
Then you don’t believe in all of the bible.
Not according to the bible. I at least I remember that much.
You might as well believe in unicorns.
Humans.
I'm not hiding behind terminology, I'm declaring to you the whole counsel of God expressed through His Word.
When I say that the Lord Jesus did not start a church, I am speaking semantically. My purpose is to dispel the the myth that the church is something that a person joins.
You do not join the church (speaking semantically) of the Lord Jesus, you become born again into the family of God. You become a member (i.e. part of the spiritual organism that is Christ's body). You become a part of those who are referred to as the called-out ones. That's what church means i.e. the called-out ones. You are a child of God. You are redeemed from your sins.
It's all semantics.
Now, concerning Hell or Hades.
Hell is very real.
The Lord Jesus went to Hades (i.e. Hell) for three days and nights immediately following His death on the cross. There He preached to the spirits who were in prison, led captivity captive, and took back the keys of Hades and Death.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm not hiding behind terminology...
When I say that the Lord Jesus did not start a church, I am speaking semantically...
😕
Hell is in your head, and I feel sorry for you. I wish I could free you from this prison you are in, but there are no doors on your cell. I can't set you free.