Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt takes place after Ironman 2 cause Potts and Tony are couple which didn't happen until the end of IM2.
Maybe the Cosmic Cube portal phucked him up?His chest plate was running on an entirely new element(absent from the Periodic Table) afterall. An element he created utilizing his father's notes that were written from studying the tesseract.
Edit: Although that depends on whether Avengers takes place before or after Iron Man 2.
Originally posted by Newjak
It takes place after Ironman 2 cause Potts and Tony are couple which didn't happen until the end of IM2.
Edit: Does anyone remember the scene from AEMH where Iron Man's systems got momentarily overwhelmed from trying to scan the ultra-powerful cosmic cube?
Like you said it's plausible but I would more likely think it happened because of running out of power or an emp from the nuke depending on when he lost power.
Also I'm not sure if it was the cube, he did try to shoot the terrasect and got a backlash of Cube energy to him and it didn't short out his suit when that happened.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt was in his previous suit before he changed to his new one and participated in that gigantic battle. So I don't see how it would carry over from one suit to the next.
Delayed reaction? It probably got accelerated by going through the portal.
I mean I'm sure people think of way but I continue to go with he was probably just out of power because of the all the battling, damage, and heroics he had just gone through. It seems the simplest and easiest one and doesn't really need to have a lot of theories and what ifs put in to make it work.
Originally posted by Newjak
It was in his previous suit before he changed to his new one and participated in that gigantic battle. So I don't see how it would carry over from one suit to the next.
References?
Edit: Not to mention that the arc reactor is located in Tony's chest, not his suits.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt's the scene were IM flies from the helicarrier to his building and confronts the Doctor on top of the roof. He tries to blow up the Cube only to have it blow him backwards. Then he says time for plan b and lands and confronts Loki where he changes suits.
I don't recall such a scene.References?
Edit: Not to mention that the arc reactor is located in Tony's chest, not his suits.
I know the Arc reactor is located in his chest hence why I said you could probably come up with a way for it to fit in order for your theory to work.
You are stating that the Cube slowly drained his energy reserves after a long battle and only when he released the missile did it finally take effect. It just seems like such an unlikely scenario in the movie and something never stated in the movie for me to believe that is what the makers of movie intended to be the reason IM ran out of power.
I still personally see it as him running out of power after an exhaustive fight and last ditch heroics where he needed every last bit of power to get the job done.
Then probably the EMP is the next most likely one depending of it IM lost power before or after the nuke went off.(I think IM lost power before it went off)
Originally posted by Based
No. Sorry but no.
Barring an EMP (w/c they never showed they could do in the movies, tho it could be argued that Tony+Thor could def figure that out, sadly they never showed they could in the movie) how exactly are they taking down the sentinels en masse? No doubt Thor and Hulk will be the real threat here (with Thor being the main gun vs the Sentinels due to his lightning) but Iron Man gets taken down once he's swarmed, Cap, too. Widow and Hawkeye will be useless as their weapons will do almost no damage to the Sentinels.
It COULD be argued that Thor would clog the hole with a lightning stream, but this is underground. In the movies, Thor summoned lightning bolts from the sky to power up Mjolnir when he did his big attacks. They will be fighting underground won't they?
The real question would be: can the Sentinel lasers (w/c can cut through thick hovercraft armor and hull) hurt Thor or Hulk? If you believe not, then Avengers win. I happen to believe that the Sentinel lasers would be able to harm them, especially en masse.
Basically, 250k sentinels stomp.
Originally posted by Newjak
Their lasers weren't that powerful, definitely not remotely close to Ironman's.I don't think the Sentinels can harm Hulk or Thor.
Well, I agree that Tony's lasers are far more powerful. Like I said, it comes down to whether or not you believe that the lasers (along with their steel claws/tentacles) will be bee stings or just watergun squirts to Thor and Hulk. Cap, Widow, Hawk and IM (eventually) dies for sure.
If they're water guns, sure the Avengers win. Bee stings, Avengers die.
Look, I believe the Avengers were badass, too. But those lasers were designed to penetrate thick metal and you gotta imagine what 250k is like. That's like a full colony of (flying and coordinated) army ants swarming all over you (with lasers!).
Originally posted by NibedicusTechnically I don't believe the Sentinels were shown to be able to fly while shooting their lasers.
Well, I agree that Tony's lasers are far more powerful. Like I said, it comes down to whether or not you believe that the lasers (along with their steel claws/tentacles) will be bee stings or just watergun squirts to Thor and Hulk. Cap, Widow, Hawk and IM (eventually) dies for sure.If they're water guns, sure the Avengers win. Bee stings, Avengers die.
Look, I believe the Avengers were badass, too. But those lasers were designed to penetrate thick metal and you gotta imagine what 250k is like. That's like a full colony of (flying and coordinated) army ants swarming all over you (with lasers!).
Also it wasn't like they cut through the metal hulls quickly. It took some time and effort on their part.
I feel like their lasers would be more water squirts to Thor and Hulk.
Thor took a Repulsor blast to the face without any damage.
If Thor just flew up straight through the whole his hammer out in front I feel like he would fly through massive amounts of those Sentinels destroying a bunch of them.
Originally posted by Newjak
Technically I don't believe the Sentinels were shown to be able to fly while shooting their lasers.Also it wasn't like they cut through the metal hulls quickly. It took some time and effort on their part.
I feel like their lasers would be more water squirts to Thor and Hulk.
Thor took a Repulsor blast to the face without any damage.
If Thor just flew up straight through the whole his hammer out in front I feel like he would fly through massive amounts of those Sentinels destroying a bunch of them.
They flew and had lasers. Never said they used both at the same time. 😛 that's why I separated the parentheses where I mentioned them.
The hovercraft armor was thick but once the lasers got thru, they were cutting thru things pretty much with abandon, IIRC.
Repulsors are kinetic impact weapons (I believe), tho (and to an extent, the Chitauri weapons, too). Not heat based penetration weapons like the Sentinel lasers. Different damage types, IMO. Thor's skin was tough but I don't see it as being so tough that lasers that cut through thick steele would just flow off him like water.
The hammer charge is an effective tactic, but at his scale, tactics don't matter anymore. This is 250k we're talking about. Thor'll rip thru dozens of em when he does his flying charge but he'll also get swarmed when he does so (the Sentinels are fast and precise). Once the Sentinels realize how tough his skin is (should take all of 5 seconds), they'll switch tactics and go laser on every weakness (eyes, mouth, extremities) they believe theh can hit. Same with Hulk.
I mean, come on guys, Vulcan aircraft fire hurt the Hulk enough to annoy him (like snowballs would) but future tech laser weapons that cut thru future tech large ship armor anf hull will be completely shrugged off like water pistols?
I kinda find that hard to swallow...
Originally posted by NibedicusIronman's weapons are tough enough to break through steel and blow up things easily but it did just bounce off Thor's body like nothing. So Thor has already shown he is tougher than Thick metal is.
They flew and had lasers. Never said they used both at the same time. 😛 that's why I separated the parentheses where I mentioned them.The hovercraft armor was thick but once the lasers got thru, they were cutting thru things pretty much with abandon, IIRC.
Repulsors are kinetic impact weapons (I believe), tho (and to an extent, the Chitauri weapons, too). Not heat based penetration weapons like the Sentinel lasers. Different damage types, IMO. Thor's skin was tough but I don't see it as being so tough that lasers that cut through thick steele would just flow off him like water.
The hammer charge is an effective tactic, but at his scale, tactics don't matter anymore. This is 250k we're talking about. Thor'll rip thru dozens of em when he does his flying charge but he'll also get swarmed when he does so (the Sentinels are fast and precise). Once the Sentinels realize how tough his skin is (should take all of 5 seconds), they'll switch tactics and go laser on every weakness (eyes, mouth, extremities) they believe theh can hit. Same with Hulk.
I mean, come on guys, Vulcan aircraft fire hurt the Hulk enough to annoy him (like snowballs would) but future tech laser weapons that cut thru future tech large ship armor anf hull will be completely shrugged off like water pistols?
I kinda find that hard to swallow...
And yeah after they got through the hull the did cut through pretty easily because most of the materials inside were a) not metal or b) very thin metal.
It's just the start of the tactic and Thor would take out Thousands cause it wasn't exactly a massive hole, and once he gets to the surface he can bring the lightning down.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ironman's weapons are tough enough to break through steel and blow up things easily but it did just bounce off Thor's body like nothing. So Thor has already shown he is tougher than Thick metal is.And yeah after they got through the hull the did cut through pretty easily because most of the materials inside were a) not metal or b) very thin metal.
It's just the start of the tactic and Thor would take out Thousands cause it wasn't exactly a massive hole, and once he gets to the surface he can bring the lightning down.
Repulsors blew up chitauri at best. But once his repulsors (or even lasers) couldn't cut thru the armlr of the larger behemoth ships (w/c if I think about it. Is just about as big/slightly bigger than the hoverships they used in the Matrix- I think).
What makes you think Thor would be able to charge thru thousands of feet of highly dense/packed Sentinels made up of armored future metal capable of rending steele easily? Where in the movie did he demonstrate this kinda power?
And what makes you think they just wouldn't move out of tne way? The speed he flew in the movies was fast, but not undodgeable.
And the OP was specific of battlefield. Moving to the surface (w/c I assume would be miles away?) would count as self BFR wouldn't it?