Ultimate Sith Fight Winner Take All

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
And failed, naturally. excellent

Nor is it implied to work on prepared&trained!Force users instantly or otherwise. When he drained Kreia, she had to divide her attention between both Sion and Nihilus; when he drained the Exile, he had to stun her and the party.

There is a precedent with Katarr though, you're conveniently forgetting. Also, Nihilus in the finale was already in a weakened state. Feats he's performed while not similarly weakened include his TK gravity well move and planet nom, both of which are cosmic-level Force powers well beyond Vader and Dooku, and RotS Sidious but not necessarily DE Sidious. To clarify, the OP states each is at their peak. This means peak Nihilus could very much potentially eat the entire gathering before any of them can muster a defense directly against him.

Nephthys
Well the fact that theres no know defense might indicate something.

According to Kreia?
And the Exile was sure defended from it. vin

Nephthys
Also LOL @ that handwaving of Kreia. Its almost like you forgot that she can levitate and fight with 3 lightsabers at once. But no, dividing her attention is clearly something that was a major handicap for her.

Because numbers & split attention has never, ever, ever been problematic for Force users. Or at least not for those who can levitate lightsabers.

Nephthys
Thank god that no-one's attention will be divided in this Battle Royale with about 10 Sith Lords in it all fighting at the same time.

Because the other 9 will be fighting each other and not Nihilus.

Stealth Moose
There is a precedent with Katarr though, you're conveniently forgetting.

The Katarr residents knew Nihilus was coming and had prepared accordingly?

Stealth Moose
Also, Nihilus in the finale was already in a weakened state.

What bearing does that have on his ability to exert the drain?

Stealth Moose
Feats he's performed while not similarly weakened include his TK gravity well move

While on Malachor V, a dark side nexus, which you're conveniently forgetting.

Stealth Moose
and planet nom, both of which are cosmic-level Force powers well beyond Vader and Dooku, and RotS Sidious but not necessarily DE Sidious.

In order to [attempt] to defeat and drain a prepared enemy, Nihilus has either attacked in conjunction with another Sith Lord against a singular foe or immobilized his enemies prior. There is no indication, to my knowledge, that he can do so in a duel against a prepared enemy without taking certain precautions.

Stealth Moose
To clarify, the OP states each is at their peak. This means peak Nihilus could very much potentially eat the entire gathering before any of them can muster a defense directly against him.

Vader tanked the Dark Reaper's effects as Anakin; Dooku & Sidious can conceal themselves in the Force. The potential, of course is there, but unlikely.

Great argument my lovelies, we will continue this soon. Prepare your anal cavities for invasion. excellent

Vader tanked the Dark Reaper's effects as Anakin; Dooku & Sidious can conceal themselves in the Force. The potential, of course is there, but unlikely.

Not just Dooku and Sidious. Krayt's done it too, and hasn't Bane as well?

I wouldn't think it's a rare ability.

Though I don't think concealing will be the main thing so much as, he even tries to Nom everyone and everyone will be hitting him with force drains, lightsabers, force lightning, and so on and so forth right back.

Originally posted by Q99
Not just Dooku and Sidious. Krayt's done it too, and hasn't Bane as well?

I wouldn't think it's a rare ability.

Though I don't think concealing will be the main thing so much as, he even tries to Nom everyone and everyone will be hitting him with force drains, lightsabers, force lightning, and so on and so forth right back.

You have a point.

The three Jedi Masters on Dantooine were hitting Kreia back with Force drains, Force waves and lightsaber slashes, while she was Giga-draining them, and they nearly killed her as well.

Though, her Giga-drain is a much weaker version, so it's easy to see why they were stomping her so badly.

Edit - I didn't know the Dark Reaper and Nihilus are the same character..

I must have missed this while playing the Clone Wars game.

Though, it is a seriously fun game, despite being Arcade-style. And I thought it was a shame they didn't use Anakin's AotC visual appearance in games more - I thought he looked cooler as a Padawan than later on, for some reason.

Concealing Force presence in a midst of battle is rather stupid. While Force user is protected from mental attacks, Force drain and telekinesis, he is still vulnerable to Force lightning, can't anticipate attacks and use Force himself in general.

Sargon, you seem to be reaching.

N. is only one of many Sith Lords involved. There is not any particular reason why he would be singled out first.

And while your novel attempt to besmirch Tobin's testimony is admirable, it fails on grounds both contextual and intentional. First, Tobin was explaining why N. was allowing the party to plant bombs on his ship; it was an opportunity for the writers to further emphasize that N. was a primarily metaphysical threat, rather than a political or military one.

Zampanó
Sargon, you seem to be reaching.

Better than reaching around, which is something of an occupational hazard for you, amirite?

Zampanó
N. is only one of many Sith Lords involved. There is not any particular reason why he would be singled out first.

Certainly there is, particularly since some of his opponents succeed him and are well versed in Sith history.

Zampanó
And while your novel attempt to besmirch Tobin's testimony is admirable, it fails on grounds both contextual and intentional. First, Tobin was explaining why N. was allowing the party to plant bombs on his ship; it was an opportunity for the writers to further emphasize that N. was a primarily metaphysical threat, rather than a political or military one.

😬

As you are (presumably) not George Lucas or Leland Chee, I'm entirely (respectfully) uninterested in your interpretation of the "intent" surrounding Nihilus. Now if you were willing to concede that the same treatment applies to Count Dooku's musings of a certain Sith Lord as being "beyond power" and "a black hole of the Force", I could be persuaded to accept your worldview. But you won't and so I can't.

I don't think being gay is his job Sargon.

Does he service other men for money?

Originally posted by Battlemaster
You have a point.

The three Jedi Masters on Dantooine were hitting Kreia back with Force drains, Force waves and lightsaber slashes, while she was Giga-draining them, and they nearly killed her as well.

Though, her Giga-drain is a much weaker version, so it's easy to see why they were stomping her so badly.

Kreia so utterly overpowered those Jedi Masters, it makes you wonder just how powerful Nihilus was to disable her with a wave of his hand. Again, this is Nihilus at his peak. This means he's well fed and not a victim of a Force wound.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Kreia so utterly overpowered those Jedi Masters, it makes you wonder just how powerful Nihilus was to disable her with a wave of his hand. Again, this is Nihilus at his peak. This means he's well fed and not a victim of a Force wound.

I know, I couldn't help the sarcasm. 😛

Honestly - I think it's unfair to have Nihilus in any Versus thread.

FotJ Luke might be able to kill him - although that fight would be the quickest fight of century, going either way.

Kreia's Giga-drain is far weaker than Nihilus's and she was able to kill-off three powerful Jedi Masters, all within a second.

Add to the fact they were stunned while being struck, and then dead.

Nihilus at his Peak sensed things in terms of planets and stars, the way we humans sense things in terms of people and locations - rather than fleas and mites.

And to Nihilus, anything below the power of a star or planet, is pretty much a mite to him.

I wonder if Nihilus and Palpatine came to exist in the same timeline, if Palpatine would submit himself to Nihilus as the student, and try to learn from him?

I can see Nihilus maybe using Palpatine as a pawn for a while - like an errand-boy, similar to how he used Visas, and then feeding on him later, when he gets bored and needs a snack.

Aww, who am I kidding?!?

Palpatine wins this.

Palpatine throws down a Force Storm, accidently dies, and then the judges jump out of their seats clapping in a standing-ovation that lasts one tear-soaked hour!

Seriously, how could you not like this guy?

(The judges fail to notice Nihilus, who has nommed the other Sith lords, and floats off stage, back to his ship. 😛)

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Better than reaching around, which is something of an occupational hazard for you, amirite?

Certainly there is, particularly since some of his opponents succeed him and are well versed in Sith history.

As you are (presumably) not George Lucas or Leland Chee, I'm entirely (respectfully) uninterested in your interpretation of the "intent" surrounding Nihilus. Now if you were willing to concede that the same treatment applies to Count Dooku's musings of a certain Sith Lord as being "beyond power" and "a black hole of the Force", I could be persuaded to accept your worldview. But you won't and so I can't.

Z.
Well, you're probably desperate for a reacharound because as far as I know, there's no convention that street walkers are owed any sort of human contact. I, on the other hand, reach around for fun and comfort.

Speaking of street walker conventions, do you think your mother will tour or is she strictly a local "performer"?

Z.
And yet, you've gone to great lengths to establish that N. is nothing more than a footnote in Galactic history compared to more politically accomplished characters; by your rubric of success, Vitatae will be taken to pound town almost immediately, whereas N. and Co. would be largely ignored.

My great length not withstanding (though I do appreciate you noticing), the fact that Nihilus is both politically and metaphysically insignificant compared to certain individuals and the claim that some of his more knowledgeable successors would have knowledge of him, his nature, and his powers are not mutually exclusive.

Z.
I might not have written 15 pages, but basic literary analysis can distinguish between hyperbole (black hole) and basic character identifiers (eats the Force). I'm willing to accept Dooku's expert testimony so long as it's weighted with the awareness that he was both hopelessly cowed (as opposed to partially possessed) and that the Authors' need for hyperbole were much different (Tobin was N.'s "prestige" while Dooku was Palpatine's "pledge"😉.

Your word choice is telling; "expert" is an adjective that better applies to Dooku than to Tobin. The former is an immensely powerful and trained Force user of many decades and the latter is just Tobin, a meager military officer whose Force expertise is completely unattested.

With this in mind, accepting Tobin's testimony as gospel whereas disregarding the Count's is already questionable. Worse yet for your argument is the fact that Dooku, unlike Tobin, is not only an expert in the Force but is in full command of his considerable mental faculties. Tobin, on the other hand, is deteriorating rapidly under Nihilus's trance.

So while I certainly acknowledge that Nihilus "eats the Force", I'm unconvinced that I should accept Tobin's flowery, hyperbolic prose as literal truth anymore than you with Dooku's grandiose commentary of Darth Sidious.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Kreia so utterly overpowered those Jedi Masters, it makes you wonder just how powerful Nihilus was to disable her with a wave of his hand. Again, this is Nihilus at his peak. This means he's well fed and not a victim of a Force wound.

And among the people he'll be facing off against is the Sith Emperor.

Q99
Not just Dooku and Sidious. Krayt's done it too, and hasn't Bane as well?

I wouldn't think it's a rare ability.

Though I don't think concealing will be the main thing so much as, he even tries to Nom everyone and everyone will be hitting him with force drains, lightsabers, force lightning, and so on and so forth right back.

I have no idea if Bane and Krayt do it.

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
I have no idea if Bane and Krayt do it.

Krayt definitely does it. He hid himself completely after his resurrection. Then, when he was ready, did the opposite, and announced his presence to all the Sith in the galaxy via the force.

Not a big comic reader, but I'll take your word for it.