Originally posted by Q99
Krayt definitely does it. He hid himself completely after his resurrection. Then, when he was ready, did the opposite, and announced his presence to all the Sith in the galaxy via the force.
Wasn't he hiding on Korriban? You don't need to mask yourself completley in the force then; after all Yoda didn't.
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If you're referring to Yoda's ability to conceal his presence because of the cave on Dagobah, the Essential Atlas explicitly states that it was balancing out his light side signature with dark side energy. Canceling the other out, as it were.
Krayt isn't a light sider, so that won't apply on Korriban.
If that's not what you're talking about, then nvm.
Well that was just one example. Luke also was unable to sense the One Sith on Korriban so unless they can all hide in the force than I see no reason to assume Krayt could.
However, thinking upon it Krayt can certainly hide his dark side signature as seen in Apocalypse as Luke was unable to tell he was a Sith. Don't know if that means he can completely hide in the force though.
Edit: That applies to Palpatine and Dooku as well. Were they ever shown to be able to completely hide themselves in the force or just mask their dark side aura?
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Mhm, for the second that the Sith Emperor is alive.So what's the story with that, anyway? Does Nihilus not have his Giga-drain in this fight, or are we just pretending it doesn't kill people instantly?
Nihilus has it, but everyone knows he has it and it's not protection against people killing him just as fast.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
I wonder what would happen if Sidious or Vitiate mind-dominatred N. and bound him to their will.That would be some scary sh*t...
You mean like Darth Traya and Darth Sion did? 😛
I wonder what it would be like if Nihilus mind-dominated Palpy or Vitiate..
I think Palpatine would make a much better servant - seeing as how he's actually decent at infiltrating organizations.
Really though, Nihilus would probably just prefer them as a snack, and nom them before either Sith got the chance.
Edit - Isn't his Will all about Hunger?
Nihilus would mind-dominate either Palpy or Vitiate, and use them as tools to find more food.. 😊
Originally posted by axel_jovan
I wonder what would happen if Sidious or Vitiate mind-dominatred N. and bound him to their will.That would be some scary sh*t...
Hadn't thought of that. Given that Nihilus isn't exactly a poster child for strong will, this may work. Vitiate may garner a victory after all.
Because Nihilus has not been shown to wield the attack against a prepared, trained adversary... I am disinclined to believe he could. He only attacked Kreia with Sion's assistance; the occupants of Katarr had no idea he was coming; and he stunned the Exile and party before he attempted to drain them, indicating there was the threat of active resistance.
On the other hand, Vader and Dooku both have the means to not only conceal themselves from Nihilus's sight, but to resist his drain courtesy of their immunity from the Dark Reaper.
Prepared and trained to do what? There is no known defence according to Kreai who could both use the Drain and train Nihilus in its use. I'll grant you maybe that Vader and Dooku can resist it, if we say that the Dark Reaper = Nihilus but not the others. Even then, considering that Kreia was a member of the Jedi Order when Uliq himself fought the Dark Reaper and still insists that theres no defence (and we saw there wasn't from her own experience with it), it looks unlikely that the attacks are one and the same.
Oh, and we saw the occupants of Katarr running away from his drain in Unseen, Unheard, indicating that there was time for them to do something about it. Its just that the only thing they could do was run. 😉
And no it does not indicate that there was a threat of resistence, that is merely your own skewed interpretation.
Also nice to see you dodge my point. Some things never change.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Because Nihilus has not been shown to wield the attack against a prepared, trained adversary... I am disinclined to believe he could. He only attacked Kreia with Sion's assistance; the occupants of Katarr had no idea he was coming; and he stunned the Exile and party before he attempted to drain them, indicating there was the threat of active resistance.On the other hand, Vader and Dooku both have the means to not only conceal themselves from Nihilus's sight, but to resist his drain courtesy of their immunity from the Dark Reaper.
Negatory. The three Jedi Masters at Dantooine were prepared to use the power of the Force to literally strip the Force from the Exile, or kill her, at the Enclave.
They were prepared for her and her companions, and when Kreia came forth and made herself known, she was still able to use a Weak Giga-drain on them - stunning and killing them within a second.
Also, Nihilus stunned the party on board the Ravager in order to interrogate them, as initially he was only interested on feeding on the planet below.
That Kreia is unaware of a defense whilst Ulic does is not evidence that the attacks are different; it is merely proof that Kreia, contrary to the "skewed interpretation" some ascribe to her, doesn't know everything.
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Oh, and we saw the occupants of Katarr running away from his drain in Unseen, Unheard, indicating that there was time for them to do something about it. Its just that the only thing they could do was run. 😉
Is there evidence that the ones who ran were the trained Force users of which I speak? Is there any evidence that they had time to conclude it was a Force based attack that could be prepared? Not dying immediately isn't synonymous with being prepared, though I thank you for clearing up the fact that Nihilus's drain isn't instantaneous. So much for everyone dying when he spoke, eh?
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Also nice to see you dodge my point. Some things never change.
Spoiler:
I'm not sure if you remember this, but it was I (and not you) who first broke the news to Janus and co. that Vitiate's mind thrall wasn't instantaneous. What you failed to take into consideration that the melee may allow Vitiate to pull off such an effort should he not be attacked in time.
What's more important is that you're still getting bent out of shape on all things Nihilus, so maybe things never do change. 😬
Battlemaster
Negatory. The three Jedi Masters at Dantooine were prepared to use the power of the Force to literally strip the Force from the Exhile, or kill her, at the Enclave.
And were in the process of doing this when Kreia arrived, yes, which afforded her time to attack them telekinetically.
Battlemaster
They were prepared for her and her companions,
Not at all. Not only were they completely focused on the Exile, allowing Traya her opportunity, when they recover, one even tells Kreia: "I thought you'd died in the Mandalorian Wars..."
Battlemaster
and when Kreia came forth and made herself known, she was still able to use a Weak Giga-drain on them - stunning and killing them within a second.
Four seconds, actually. Plenty of time to react for some of these Sith Lords.
Battlemaster
Also, Nihilus stunned the party on board the Ravager in order to interrogate them, as initially he was only interested on feeding on the planet below.
I'm not sure, since it is the Exile who actually speaks first, issuing threats, and Tobin expresses Nihilus's complete disinterest in her and her companions.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Hadn't thought of that. Given that Nihilus isn't exactly a poster child for strong will, this may work. Vitiate may garner a victory after all.
It's a double-edged sword - Darth Traya, who makes her life's business all about mind****ery, couldn't put a dent mentally in Nihilus.
Nihilus's Hunger IS his Will - it's all he cares about.
Kreia on Nihilus:
"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."
The best she could do was lure him to a planet - but could the Lord of Betrayal dominate his mind? No.
Sion couldn't either.
All Nihilus cares about is food - and in this battle he's got it right where he wants it - nowhere to travel to, no deals to strike - just instant buffet, right there.
If the battle were spaced apart, I could see one or two of the Sith Lords attempting to trick him to go to one location or another - but here in this staight-up fight?
Nihilus follows his greatest Master and does it's bidding -nomming the Sith around him.
Battlemaster
It's a double-edged sword - Darth Traya, who makes her life's business all about mind****ery, couldn't put a dent mentally in Nihilus.
There is a difference between psychological manipulation (what Traya does) and psychic manipulation (what Vitiate does). Traya is not, to my knowledge, an expert on using the Force to manipulate the mentality and perceptions of those around here, whereas Vitiate is.
Battlemaster
Nihilus's Hunger IS his Will - it's all he cares about.Kreia on Nihilus:
"One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."The best she could do was lure him to a planet - but could the Lord of Betrayal dominate his mind? No.
Sion couldn't either.
All Nihilus cares about is food - and in this battle he's got it right where he wants it - nowhere to travel to, no deals to strike - just instant buffet, right there.
If the battle were spaced apart, I could see one or two of the Sith Lords attempting to trick him to go to one location or another - but here in this staight-up fight?
Nihilus follows his greatest Master and does it's bidding -nomming the Sith around him.
Traya's commentary on Nihilus's mentality is speculative in nature; Nihilus shows signs of a functioning intellect throughout the game, whether it is his methodical hunt for Jedi, his manipulation of Vaklu, and his calculated betrayal of Kreia. Obviously there is no question that he is intellectually outmatched by others here, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have one of his own.