Originally posted by Myth
^ Agreed. The question of which you liked more (and why) is valid, but the question of which is better is kind of stupid.
agreed as well.thats pretty much what I was saying in my previous post.Like I said,I would like to see a more valid comparison poll like The Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2.
TDK was superior as a film, better characterisation and depth, slower and beautiful cinematography, deeper plot and a truly stand-out villain (and Two-Face wasn't bad either).
Avengers was just tonnes more fun, didn't feel like it dragged, always had something going on that was both amusing and progressing the story. The characters were thin though, stock female action figure with murky past, stock male action figure with murky past, maverick genius with personal demons to overcome, loner genius with personal demons to overcome ... What lifted Avengers on the character front was the relationships and interactions that Whedon specialises in (e.g. The Scooby Gang and the Firefly crew), Banner lifted Stark and Stark brought more light and colour to Banner's character, Coulson made S.H.I.E.L.D. more humane and took the edge off of their technocratic Nazi existence.
Most importantly, the number of set-ups and quips scattered throughout the movie, especially those involving The Hulk, made this movie much more enjoyable. It gave you licence to step-back from the "serious" drama of the action and danger, to laugh and relax.
I think TDKR was a great mixture of the pacing of Avengers with the 'adult' feel of TDK. It had the same sort of pretensions, dealing with 'weighty' concepts, it pushed the fascist police thing (yet again) and it really anchored you in the 'life' and emotionally bleak perspective of Bruce Wayne/Batman. Yet somehow it managed to do this without slowing down for a second. The film was running at 60mph from the opening credits to the closing credits.
Sadly, Nolan's Batman couldn't work with humour, otherwise it would have been even more enjoyable than Avengers, for me.
Originally posted by Myth
^ Not surprising just because Avengers just came out. Give it a year or 2 and a more accurate vote is more likely.
Yep. The "new movie high" has worn off for me. After initially seeing the Avengers I considered it the best thing since sliced bread, but now I realize that TDK is the better film and certainly the film I prefer to watch.
Originally posted by janus77👆
TDK was superior as a film, better characterisation and depth, slower and beautiful cinematography, deeper plot and a truly stand-out villain (and Two-Face wasn't bad either).Avengers was just tonnes more fun, didn't feel like it dragged, always had something going on that was both amusing and progressing the story. The characters were thin though, stock female action figure with murky past, stock male action figure with murky past, maverick genius with personal demons to overcome, loner genius with personal demons to overcome ... What lifted Avengers on the character front was the relationships and interactions that Whedon specialises in (e.g. The Scooby Gang and the Firefly crew), Banner lifted Stark and Stark brought more light and colour to Banner's character, Coulson made S.H.I.E.L.D. more humane and took the edge off of their technocratic Nazi existence.
Most importantly, the number of set-ups and quips scattered throughout the movie, especially those involving The Hulk, made this movie much more enjoyable. It gave you licence to step-back from the "serious" drama of the action and danger, to laugh and relax.
I think TDKR was a great mixture of the pacing of Avengers with the 'adult' feel of TDK. It had the same sort of pretensions, dealing with 'weighty' concepts, it pushed the fascist police thing (yet again) and it really anchored you in the 'life' and emotionally bleak perspective of Bruce Wayne/Batman. Yet somehow it managed to do this without slowing down for a second. The film was running at 60mph from the opening credits to the closing credits.
Sadly, Nolan's Batman couldn't work with humour, otherwise it would have been even more enjoyable than Avengers, for me.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Avengers,easy.TDK got overhyped due to Ledgers death.
Bull. Ledger's death might have increased the initial hype, but word of mouth for that movie was overwhelming. And Heath's portrayal of the Joker was and will remain a memorable masterpiece in movie history.
And if anything TDKR's hype and current box office success should prove Heath's "death" alone had little to do with the financial success of this series.
I'm not sure how people think this is even a contest. It's actually a pretty big insult to TDK that this is even being discussed. A good drama/thriller will ALWAYS beat a good action film, no matter how good the action film is. Especially when the drama/thriller actually has good action scenes in it as well.
Originally posted by DarthTheDominat
I'm not sure how people think this is even a contest. It's actually a pretty big insult to TDK that this is even being discussed. A good drama/thriller will ALWAYS beat a good action film, no matter how good the action film is. Especially when the drama/thriller actually has good action scenes in it as well.
I disagree but everyone has an opinion! lol I tend to prefer syfi-ish/action movies over others though. Drama/thriller is good. Anyways I didn't think the fight scenes were all that great in TDKR.
Avengers isn't close to second for me. I though all three films of TDK trilogy were better, even the original Burton ones, Watchmen for sure, even some of the Marvel ones like the Spiderman and X-Men films. I thought Captain America was the best out of all the avengers films too.
Honestly comparing The Avengers to TDK is like comparing... The Expendables 2 to TDK lol.