Re: What if WBH?
Originally posted by biensalsalol, you're such an assh0le.
Since I arrive Here I read this notion of WBH being ubber powerful, because He melted Heralds, personally I think this is a silly idea, but I want to get what is the consensus around here, so in order to do this, WHAT IF We replace the victims of Hulk for established Heralds.This is the scenario
Hulk and Betty are about to bust a planet in the Dark Dimension, but this time instead of Mindless ones, Wendigo, Arm'chedon, Bi-Beast and Fin-Fan-Foom watching the fight. We have Gladiator, GL John Stewart, GL Kyle Ryner, BRB and Galactus Heralds (Terrax, Silver Surfer, Morg, Star Dust)
What will it be the most likely result after the planet buster?
1.- The Heralds are melted due to the incredible power of the Hulk.
2.- The Heralds are fine, they approach to the Hulk and tell him "Welcome to the big leagues, boy"
3.- The Heralds are fine and they say nothing to Hulk since they are aware Hulk can potentially can bust a planet since 1970
who knows, the guys you listed are built for space travel and the rigors of space.
however, the only guy that came from space and had cosmic power that was killed just like the rest of the characters present for the hulk fight was arm'cheddon, and he was far and away the most powerful character there. when bi-beast and wendigo were amped a thousand fold, hulk killed them when they slammed into the troyjan ship he launched them into, though hulk slammed arm'cheddon himself right through the entire ship and he still survived, even survived a few blows from hulk and repeated blasts from that arm cannon. blasts strong enough to destroy a troyjan ship that was strong enough to withstand bi-beast and wendigo 1000/1 size + a large section of las vagas without issue. yet he melted just like everything present
same goes for the mindless ones; low feats, high feats didn't matter as pak made sure to note how formidable they were to make hulk look good.
some of those guys might not melt for various reasons, but they'd most likely get buffeted by the overpressure and get knocked out
Originally posted by biensalsa
Black holes >> Neutron starsThen We also have nova explosions and Super novas.
Do you think Hulk produced a force equal to a Nova or a Super nova?
Two different type of things happen with a NEUTRON star and a Black Hole.
I don't know what he produced but it was hellava powerful and I don't think a Herald or trans tier being couple replicate it. Especially with just a single punch.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Ok, I disagree, as I don't see any reason why the heralds should die, but like I say, this is to see what is the general consensus around.
An attack that annihilates an army of high end mindless ones, (which regardless of you saying we should take them at high end levels, the comic actually indicates are operating at their high end levels) would kill and at the very least ko characters whose even absolute highest end durability feat are inferior to those of the mindless ones i.e ( gladiator, Terrax, even Morg quite frankly). This is without even considering the fact that it also annihlated Wendigo, Armcheddon, Bi beast and an enormously amped Fing Fang Foom (amped to world conquering levels).
Re: Re: What if WBH?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol, you're such an assh0le.who knows, the guys you listed are built for space travel and the rigors of space.
however, the only guy that came from space and had cosmic power that was killed just like the rest of the characters present for the hulk fight was arm'cheddon, and he was far and away the most powerful character there. when bi-beast and wendigo were amped a thousand fold, hulk killed them when they slammed into the troyjan ship he launched them into, though hulk slammed arm'cheddon himself right through the entire ship and he still survived, even survived a few blows from hulk and repeated blasts from that arm cannon. blasts strong enough to destroy a troyjan ship that was strong enough to withstand bi-beast and wendigo 1000/1 size + a large section of las vagas without issue. yet he melted just like everything present
same goes for the mindless ones; low feats, high feats didn't matter as pak made sure to note how formidable they were to make hulk look good.
some of those guys might not melt for various reasons, but they'd most likely get buffeted by the overpressure and get knocked out
Its really funny because its like Pak was on a mission to annoy anti-hulk battleboard members by pre-emptively countering every point they could conceivably use to demean the feat within the actual comic itself.
Originally posted by biensalsa
I have to laugh at this very concept. I said I want to get a general consensus and so far all the ones I expected to say WBH melts heralds have done it again.The personal attacks might start pretty soon.
and lol at trying to raise the stock of the mindless ones.
Lol at you trying to downplay the ft like usual. If Umar, a freaking high end skyfather couldn't stop them in the same comic, why bring up their low showings.? What's wrong with you?
Originally posted by carver9
Two different type of things happen with a NEUTRON star and a Black Hole.I don't know what he produced but it was hellava powerful and I don't think a Herald or trans tier being couple replicate it. Especially with just a single punch.
Yes the difference is that a black hole has more crushing force than a neutron star.
And what caused the planet to explode? it was an explosion as Hulk and Betty clashed inside the planet's atmosphere.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Mindless ones are magical beings very resistant to magic.
They are resistant to "all" forms of attacks. Like I said before, Gladiator fled from them, Savage Hulk couldn't hurt them, Nova Prime couldn't damage them, a NEUTRON Star couldn't hurt them. Stop trying to downplay something you clearly don't have a understanding about. A NEUTRON star packs more heat than a Black hole which is what destroyed the Mindless Ones.
I've noted something quite interesting.
In the OWAW storyline, carver said that the Imperiex probes, who had previously been dispatching comic characters left and right, were downgraded when Doomsday and Superman were fighting them, because somehow, they were 'unfinished'.
Not to say that Doomsday and Superman were THAT powerful, mind you, but in his opinion, the reason they were being shredded so easily was due to the probes being weaker.
And here, even though the Mindless Ones were being shredded, its because Hulk was that powerful.
Go figure.
Despite it being one hell of a feat to bust a planet by impacting another of the same strength, I see no reason why it should be a considered an automatic herald killer just because Wendigo, Bi-Beast and Arm died.
and I don't think people understand just what it is to be on a Neutron star. The gravity is so intense that any mindless one would be hitting the star at approximately 7.2 million kilometers per hour. The resulting impact would do a lot more than blow up a planet and some moons.
Even if they were somehow teleported directly on the surface, the gravity would instantly overcome them and they'd still hit it with enormous force.
It's for that reason that I don't like to use Thor's own resisting and overpowering of the equivalent of a neutron star's gravity. The power in one Neutron star is simply ridiculous and the impact would destroy more than anything Hulk ever dreamed of doing.
Assuming the mindless one are so unbelievably powerful that they can deal with a neutron star (somehow) then the showings against Hulk and Thor are low showings and should be discarded as just that.
If we assume it's a high feat, then no body should be whacking off thinking "WOW they resisted a NEUTRON STAR! Hulk must be really something! 😄"
It was a good showing for the hulk to bust the planet along with Betty. Leave it as what it is.
That's how I see it anyway.
Smh @ at yet another attempt to bait carver and downplay the feat based on no useful reasoning whatsoever.Mindless ones arent only resistant to magic. They have been traditionally described as nigh invulnerable period. All this conjecture based on no on panel evidence is silly. Carvers claims are definitely outlandish and hypocritical at times but the incident within the HOTM arc are self explanatory. No amount of idiotic projection by trollish posters is going to change that. The Neutron star thing of the mindless ones is great and all, but even not taking that into account, there are a bunch of other feats of theirs that demonstrate their durability. We know they were at their upper levels in that particular instance. Pak made his intention clear (to amp hulk hugely) and displayed it resoundingly (at the expense of character I might add). People should just take this as it is presented and cool down with all the butthurt.