What if WBH?

Even C list characters can figh them

New mutans can handle them

Stranger vs a bunch of them

They are so formidable that even Dr. Stranger kicking skills are too much for them

Spiderman handles them quite easily

Hulk pushes 10 of them

All this seems kind of familiar

Originally posted by Naija boy
Assumptions? heh, Even your own scans dont support them being cannon fodder. You are the one attempting to twist on panel occurences and flat out ignore what is presented on panel while holding on to low feats and failing to understand basic English....

You were saying???

Originally posted by Naija boy
Its funny how u think u r the only one who has read comics and yet cant even seem to properly present your own scans. Anyhow the Dr strange incident u are referrring to is just irrelevant and shows nothing of the sort (regarding the dark dimension being easier to destroy) and the postulation that surfer made regarding the fragility of the dark dimension was not made after some cosmic analysis of the dimensions matter but rather after the untimely collapse of a bridge that they were on.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Hulk%20feats/vcm_s_kf_repr_581x894.jpg
He takes a cursory examination based off the preceding events (collapse of the bridge) and comes to this conclusion. Further even if that was actually the case then, fast forward 20 years to the HOTM incident and id say its pretty far fetched to think that a one off non-authoritative suggestive statement made by the Surfer was even contemplated let alone taken into account by Pak when writing the scene in the HOTM, and thus find it asinine to think that the planet in the dark dimension that Hulk destroyed was intended to be weaker than a normal planet.

I have evidence, what do you have? NOTHING but a blabber

Originally posted by Naija boy
Your last set of scans epitomizes the impariments with logic and comprehension that have plagued u in this thread. You try to use those scans to show why the mindless ones ae "cannon fodder" and yet itheyshows nothing of the sort. In those very scans they are described as having juggernautic[I] power which is in line with their description as nigh invulnerable physical powerhouses. Their powerlevels are definitely played up. Hence in the comic they are NOT canon fodder but are rather being used to emphasize the formidability of Dormammu's forces. In that comic (Dr strange sorcerer supreme annual 4), Clea who is the supreme adept, used what looks less than a dozen mindless ones (7 by my count actually) to attack Dormammus stronghold during the War of the Seven Spheres. The mindless ones then even succeeded in reducing the citadels defenses to a small skeleton crew. It is thus painfully counter-intuitive to try to use this to [i]denigrate the mindless ones since we dont know the formidability of Dormammus full defenses (as tthe battle with the mindless ones had reduced to it to a small fraction of that, which clea and her band encountered). Doing so is assuming your conclusion and thus circular reasoning. I mean it was Dormammus citadel for the huge War of Seven Spheres between numerous high level magical powers and so common sense dictates its defense is hella impressive. What is really silly is the good job you are doing posting self defeating scans 👆

That type of blabber, makes you sound like a pseudo intellectual and it gets tiresome. You know comics is not a highly intellectual topic right? And That is to show you less than skyfather or herald can take the mindless ones out, Brainiac

And calling my scans self defeating? when you are trying to prove how "formidable" foe they are and You post this?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Drstrangemindlessones2.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
Anyhow, as Ive asserted and displayed, mindless ones at their upper levels definitely posess herald level durability (though herald is a rather vague term) based on numerous descriptions and actual feats. They can vary, but Pak establishes the strength level they are operating at within the comic (which is in line with authorial intent) which makes whatever variations in power irrelevant to this particular scene. It should thus be taken at facevalue for what Pak presented it to be. Keep the baseless conjecture to yourself. Peace

That is very funny.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Thus as i said and have shown they do certainly have upper level portrayals in which they are rampaging extremely durable creatures and thus as seen, it is their numbers and durability which make them threats to the likes of Dormammu and Umar. They do have lower showings and vary with the writer but Pak specifically wrote them at this classic level and explicitly mentioned it within the comic. Any refusal to acknowledge this is blatantly incosistent with the comic and Paks authorial intent. Thats all there is to it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Links fixed
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Drstrangemindlessones1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Drstrangemindlessones2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Drstrangemindlessones3.jpg

Now, u can go ahead with the fallacies (I know that strawmanning is a specialty of yours) 🙂

Sure, they are upper level and not cannon foder

Just to show one more example of how formidable they are

This is canon in 616 and this is their "lowest" showing if you can get any lower of what We have seen

Sure, they durability is herald level and this time or all those other times it was not the exception, CANNON FODDER

To quote a great pseudo intellectual "lolwut?"

well then..

Doom's Mindless Ones are impeccable.

YouTube videoLoL@BienSalsa's avatar appearing 5 times in every single scan.

Originally posted by Naija boy
For good measure and prior to the anticipated disregard, fallacy filled
arguments, and lowballing that is to come. Here are some additional instances of upper level portrayals of the mindless ones as tireless nigh invulnerable (and thus extremely durable) creatures capable of threatening the likes of Umar and Dormammu:

Indestructible threats to the Dark Dimension:

Again portrayed as nigh indestructable tireless engines of destruction i.e anything but cannon fodder

Again their formidability and power is noted by Rahl one of the members of Cleas rebellion group

Now to show that forcing them back is of little relevance, Here within the same issue and series in which their extreme durability had been repeatedly acknowledged and portrayed (Dr strange Master of mystic arts #73 specifically), Dr strange and another group of mystics are unable to destroy them but manage to merely push back a fair sized group of mindless ones.

Them having been pushed back as explained earlier is thus not a knock on their formidability when they are portrayed at their upper levels of durability.

And here in the now famous Neutron star feat

Again portrayed as nearly indestructible and unharmable by the Nova corps

Looking at this in addition to what Ive already shown (and this is just after only a little digging), this should make it abundantly clear that the mindless ones DO have numerous occurrences of being portrayed with top tier durability and this solidifies them as threats to the likes of Umar and Dormammu. Denying this is farcical and definitely trolling. Once again, they DO have showings below such a threat level but they become irrelevant because Pak specifically indicates that they are being portrayed as this level of a threat. The rest of the events are thus self explanatory.

"lolwut?"

They are mentioned as amazing nearly indestructible "engines" of destruction when they appear, but then again THIS comes after those statements.

Even Spiderman puts a better fight than them

What does that tells You?

CANNON FODDER

But NOOOOOOOO! In HOTM was different for some reason.

While i was seriously tempted to reply that silliness, upon reading it u have to be freaking kidding me. You dont even know the meaning of the terms you are using? So me offhandedly remarking that you used annoyingly oversize scans is an example of the genetic fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
And then saying words like "recalcitrant" is an example of argumentum ad verbosium? (Do i need to post the definition of this too?)

And suggesting that Pak (the writer of the comic) portrayed what he intended to portray based on statements and dialogue in the comic is an example of a fallacious appeal to authority? Maybe in your world but not in the actual world of logic and philosophy
baka.

I know that the use of the term "fallacy" is a fad now on the internet but seriously since you clearly havent even taken an introductory course in logic and philosophy then stop using it. If english isnt your first language just say so but dont even try to pull that "fallacy" crap on me cuz logic works the same way no matter language you speak. In the world of sane people, this just makes you look like an idiot

And then the strawmanning came just like I said it would. I specifically said that I was trying to show that the mindless ones had herald level durability going by upper level durability feats alone since i accepted (and repeated) that they varied from writer to writer.

And then you go and post a bunch of low feats (confirming that they vary from writer to writer) , some of which you have posted before (and i had explained why they were invalid), some in which they dont even get actually substantively destroyed at all (which makes more than half of your scans irrelevant already) because they were from comics were they WERE portrayed as extremely durable, and none of which invalidate my initial premise. and then you think u have advanced a logical argument?

Heck just on the top of the page you quote a post where i claim that Mindless ones certainly do have upper level portrayals in which they are extremely durable and that based on what was stated about them in the comic, Pak tries to portray them at such a level in order to upplay Hulk. Then you in respone, u saracastically reply "Sure they are upper level" and post what you describe as their lowest durability showing in order to counter this when if you had even read the post you quoted you should have understood why their their lowest durability showing (or their low showings at all in which many of the ones you presented which had no relevance to their actual durability) were not even tangential to the the point i was arguing.

baka

I always wondered what the next breed of troll would be. A troll that can post "teh scanz!" and spam up threads with them derailing useful discussion, i truly never expected. God help us all

Originally posted by Naija boy
While i was seriously tempted to reply that silliness, upon reading it u have to be freaking kidding me. You dont even know the meaning of the terms you are using? So me offhandedly remarking that you used annoyingly oversize scans is an example of the genetic fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
And then saying words like "recalcitrant" is an example of argumentum ad verbosium? (Do i need to post the definition of this too?)

And suggesting that Pak (the writer of the comic) portrayed what he intended to portray based on statements and dialogue in the comic is an example of a fallacious appeal to authority? Maybe in your world but not in the actual world of logic and philosophy
baka.

I know that the use of the term "fallacy" is a fad now on the internet but seriously since you clearly havent even taken an introductory course in logic and philosophy then stop using it. If english isnt your first language just say so but dont even try to pull that "fallacy" crap on me cuz logic works the same way no matter language you speak. In the world of sane people, this just makes you look like an idiot

And then the strawmanning came just like I said it would. I specifically said that I was trying to show that the mindless ones had herald level durability going by upper level durability feats alone since i accepted (and repeated) that they varied from writer to writer.

And then you go and post a bunch of low feats (confirming that they vary from writer to writer) , some of which you have posted before (and i had explained why they were invalid), some in which they dont even get actually substantively destroyed at all (which makes more than half of your scans irrelevant already) because they were from comics were they WERE portrayed as extremely durable, and none of which invalidate my initial premise. and then you think u have advanced a logical argument?

Heck just on the top of the page you quote a post where i claim that Mindless ones certainly do have upper level portrayals in which they are extremely durable and that based on what was stated about them in the comic, Pak tries to portray them at such a level in order to upplay Hulk. Then you in respone, u saracastically reply "Sure they are upper level" and post what you describe as their lowest durability showing in order to counter this when if you had even read the post you quoted you should have understood why their their lowest durability showing (or their low showings at all in which many of the ones you presented which had no relevance to their actual durability) were not even tangential to the the point i was arguing.

baka

I always wondered what the next breed of troll would be. A troll that can post "teh scanz!" and spam up threads with them derailing useful discussion, i truly never expected. God help us all

Translation:

Originally posted by Naija boy
"OUCH!"

Durable but to call them herald level is...well, just a silly wet dream of a fan.

lol maybe when translated into whatever dialect of retard you speak.

but yeah whatever helps you sleep at night.

Originally posted by Naija boy
lol maybe when translated into whatever dialect of retard you speak.

but yeah whatever helps you sleep at night.

Love You too cupcakes, keep reppin.

And this will be my last reply. I don't want this to be closed, just because We don't enjoy each other's comments.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Translation:

Durable but to call them herald level is...well, just a silly wet dream of a fan.

Can someone post those scans where an imperiex Probe got taken out by a nuke? Or the scans where they got take out by a space ship ramming their heads. I think I need to start this thread. Canon fodder Probes.

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone post those scans where an imperiex Probe got taken out by a nuke? Or the scans where they got take out by a space ship ramming their heads. I think I need to start this thread. Canon fodder Probes.

I thought it was a B-13 nuke tank and Black Lightning for the first one, then the space ship was...well alien tech, so I can't say if that amkes the ship weak or not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought it was a B-13 nuke tank and Black Lightning for the first one, then the space ship was...well alien tech, so I can't say if that amkes the ship weak or not.

It was a nuke and Black Lightning and Supergirl was there as well and survived the initial attack.

Lol...they got taken out by a ship hitting them in the face. Lol at the alien ship comment.

Originally posted by carver9
It was a nuke and Black Lightning and Supergirl was there as well and survived the initial attack.

Lol...they got taken out by a ship hitting them in the face. Lol at the alien ship comment.

Well, its true, I can't comment. Unless you can quantify it? Is it the same as an aircraft carrier hitting you, for example? A....helicarrier?

Also, it was no ordinary nuke, I believe -it was Luthortech and B-13 tech ('we have not been idle - we have the finest tech the great human minds can come up with or some crap'😉. I may well be wrong though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, its true, I can't comment. Unless you can quantify it? Is it the same as an aircraft carrier hitting you, for example? A....helicarrier?

Also, it was no ordinary nuke, I believe -it was Luthortech and B-13 tech ('we have not been idle - we have the finest tech the great human minds can come up with or some crap'😉. I may well be wrong though.

So you think someone liiikkke Surfer or Superman can get hit in the head by a ship and killed.?

Uuuummmm, Black Lightning and Supergirl was right in front of the Probe when the attack went off and they survived. The blast wasn't as powerful as you are trying to make it.

I wanna learn the "retard" language. Biensalsa...if I may ask, what was the point of the Supes avatar trolling the scans, lol. Just a way to make sure you're given credit for the scans?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I wanna learn the "retard" language. Biensalsa...if I may ask, what was the point of the Supes avatar trolling the scans, lol. Just a way to make sure you're given credit for the scans?

Is just so I make sure the evil guys do not use my own scans against me 😄

obviously

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone post those scans where an imperiex Probe got taken out by a nuke? Or the scans where they got take out by a space ship ramming their heads. I think I need to start this thread. Canon fodder Probes.

Oh Carver, none of those instances compares to getting face damage by Starstalker.

How about We make a thread "Imperex Probe vs Minless One"? 🙄