Originally posted by h1a8
No it's different. Glad's speed is one of his main powers (Super strength, super speed, flight). Thor's omniblast is a rare power not even remotely in close to being a main power.
Lightning isn't one of Thor's main powers??! I can't even count the number of times it's depicted as firing in multiple directions.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also even if we allow Thor to use the omniblast, my scenario still holds the same.
No it doesn't. His Energy blasts are Lightspeed. And Thor's reactions are fast enough to react before he's anywhere close to being KO'd.
Originally posted by h1a8
Writer's won't have Thor appearing as a statue to Glads for the same reason that Hulk will not be a statue to Glads, Doc Ock is not a statue to Spidey, Grundy is not a statue to Superman, Batman is not a statue to WW, ... I can go on forever.
So does the statue thing even exist in a combat situation in comics??
As for your examples, Hulk isn't slow. He's fast enough to hit classic quicksilver. So I wouldn't expect him to be a complete statue to Gladiator.
Glads is however much much faster than him. But Hulk has never really had to deal with Glads speed. Look through their fight, Hulk only got surprise hits on Glads.
On the other hand Surfer's first encounter with Hulk made it clear Surfer was too fast for him. Whilst Surfer's first encounter with Thor made it clear Thor was too powerful for Surfer. So I think Surfer's a good medium to judge by. As it was obviously the intent from the classic days for Thor not to be out of his league against High Herald Speedsters, unlike Hulk.
Why would Doc Ock be a statue to Spidey? Last I remember Ock was faster.
Superman has speed blitzed Grundy in the past.
Originally posted by h1a8
Masterson is not inferior to the real Thor physically. They are equals by intention and enchantment and a feat proving they are equals (when they clashed). Odinson knows how to use Mjolnir better and has more experience and that's the only reason why he is superior to Masterson.
You don't even know your talking about.
Originally posted by h1a8
I can do a math problem in my head while being choked to sleep.
Oh how I'd like to test that!
Originally posted by h1a8
But I can't do one if someone lays a haymaker on me, not at least til I come to. Being choked still allows for thinking, no matter how close to unconscious you get. Being rocked cuts off thinking completely and immediately.
And yet Masterson Thor did react to Glads using his speed to rock him. So that's the end of the story.
Originally posted by h1a8
Glads HAS used speed from the get go before (and thus it's in his character) and plus we are under the full capacity rule that allows him to use his speed. That's irrelevant. All that matters is if it's in a character's character. It's certainly in Glads character because he has used his speed as one of his main powers countless times. He even fought Hyperion at ftl speeds.
Glads has used speed from the get go. Thor has used Lightning and Energy blasts from the get go.
What's rare is when Glads fights at full combat speed right from the start of the fight. Just as it would be rare for Thor to go all out from the start of a fight.
And I want scans of Gladiator fighting FTL.
Originally posted by h1a8
And you are wrong, Glads has fought Thor at hyper speed when Thor was sped up by Reed.
We're not arguing an alternate future Gladiator. The real Gladiator has never done any such thing. And has not shown he is even capable of doing such a thing.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's because the writer's never wrote those heralds using their speed against him.
Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion have all used their speed against Thor and still failed to defeat him.
Surely if these people's speed puts them out of Thor's league then at least one of them would have defeated him to date.
Fact is from their very first encounter Stan Lee made it clear Thor is not out of his league against Surfer's powers. Not in any way, shape or form!
Originally posted by country1000
Masterson thor had the same strength and powers as the real thor and gladiator had thor beat everytime they fought until pis took over. If thor can beat gladiator, then how come the writers sent in living lightning, thorgirl, amora and have reed amp thors speed to be even able to see gladiator?? Gladiator did not need any help. Wonderman a hero has beaten thor, hyperion was beating his ass until thor pis shrunk him... What did gladiator do to wonderman and hyperion without pis??
No he doest. And masterson knows he doesnt.
Thor using his powers is pis now? K. I call pis on all parts of their fights in which gladiator has an advantage.
Ask the writers. Thor didnt do anythong with living lightning outside his powerset and its nothing he couldnt have done on his own. He just chose to use LL instead.
How come gladiator needed a hostage and prep time to even challenge
thor?????
Again thor using hos powers is pis? Thor having many more options than gladitor to win a fight doesnt mean its pis. It
just means you cant handle thor being kalarks superior.
the sonner you come to accept it the sonner your little heart will rest.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIrrelevant. Multiple directions is not omnidirectional. Who cares about lightning? His omniblasts aren't lightning.
Lightning isn't one of Thor's main powers??! I can't even count the number of times it's depicted as firing in multiple directions.
Not his lightning. Omniblasts are Irrelevant. Even he Thor's gets off an omniblast Glads wades through can rocks Thor again (and says "Cut that sh.. out!"😉No it doesn't. His Energy blasts are Lightspeed. And Thor's reactions are fast enough to react before he's anywhere close to being KO'd.
Yes statue concept exists in comics. Superman, Spider-man, Flash, etc. have all made other beings living statues in comics (even in combat).So does the statue thing even exist in a combat situation in comics??
Hulk isn't slow when compared to a human. But he is slow when compared to a bullet, or a speedster actually using his speed (Spider-man anyone). Although I don't recall Hulk touching Quicksilver while being aware, him hitting by touching quicksilver when quicksilver wasn't using speed is irrelevant anyway. Every speedster has been hit by a much slower moving enemy. Doesn't make the slower moving enemy super fast now does it?As for your examples, Hulk isn't slow. He's fast enough to hit classic quicksilver. So I wouldn't expect him to be a complete statue to Gladiator.
Glads is however much much faster than him. But Hulk has never really had to deal with Glads speed. Look through their fight, Hulk only got surprise hits on Glads.
But Surfer used his freaking speed against Hulk but not against Thor. Also you are forgeting that Hulk fought Thor and Hulk didn't look any slower. Comics don't work that way. Writer's have and always exercised the right to ignore a character's speed for the sake of a good fight. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many examples of where slowers engage fasters.On the other hand Surfer's first encounter with Hulk made it clear Surfer was too fast for him. Whilst Surfer's first encounter with Thor made it clear Thor was too powerful for Surfer. So I think Surfer's a good medium to judge by. As it was obviously the intent from the classic days for Thor not to be out of his league against High Herald Speedsters, unlike Hulk.
doc ock is a human and has human reactions. He definitely should be slower than Spider-man as far as reaction speeds. And as far as movement speed, Spider-man outran bullets several times.
Why would Doc Ock be a statue to Spidey? Last I remember Ock was faster.
And Superman didn't blitz him while the writer allowed Superman to fight at Grundy's speed.
Superman has speed blitzed Grundy in the past.
The enchantment on Mjolnir gives the powers of Thor for those who are worthy. This is clearly the intention of the writer. And according to you writer's intentions>>>>>anything. Also when both clashed in physical strength they stalemated. Do you know what I'm talking about?You don't even know your talking about.
Before fainting one time I was able to think clearly (I was scared actually).Oh how I'd like to test that!
Using speed huh? I disagree. If Glads actually used speed then Masterson would have been toast. Glads just stood there and allowed Masterson to talk and hit him.And yet Masterson Thor did react to Glads using his speed to rock him. So that's the end of the story.
Irrelevant. I never said Thor won't use his lightning or energy blasts coming from his hammer. That's one of his main powers. I said, Thor only omniblast when he is surrounded by multiple foes and not when he's fighting a single humanoid type opponent.Glads has used speed from the get go. Thor has used Lightning and Energy blasts from the get go.
I agree. But Thor omniblasting is far rarer. Also, Glads is significantly faster than Thor. Thus he doesn't have to fight at his fastest speed but rather at a speed twice Thor's speed (which is still slower than what's Glads is capable of).What's rare is when Glads fights at full combat speed right from the start of the fight. Just as it would be rare for Thor to go all out from the start of a fight.
They are in his respect thread. Him and Hyperion were maneuvering, throwing and blocking punches at each other within nanoseconds. If you can't find it then I will for you.
And I want scans of Gladiator fighting FTL.
Why is it an alternate future Gladiator? A Gladiator 30 years in the future doesn't make it an alternate future version. Alternate future versions of anything are from parallel universes, not the same universe. But we don't have to use that one since Glads has fought at ftl speeds against Hyperion.We're not arguing an alternate future Gladiator. The real Gladiator has never done any such thing. And has not shown he is even capable of doing such a thing.
They failed when they weren't using their speed.Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion have all used their speed against Thor and still failed to defeat him.
Writer's never allowed it. Actually writer's multiple times have shown that Thor CAN be overwhelmed when a character actually uses his speed on him. Thor has looked bad 100% of the time when a character has actually used their speed on him. The only way for him to affect quicksilver was to hit the ground. And what Masterson did was the only way to stop Spidey.Surely if these people's speed puts them out of Thor's league then at least one of them would have defeated him to date.
Lee never had Surfer use his great speed in combat against Thor. You telling me that Thor can come anywhere as close to searching a whole planet before someone finishes a sentence? The speed difference is greatly apparent. Everyone knows this, except you.Fact is from their very first encounter Stan Lee made it clear Thor is not out of his league against Surfer's powers. Not in any way, shape or form!
Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman said that superman can go to sun from earth and back in less than a minute. Why is a number so important anyway? Do you want the comics to state that superman lifted 100 tons to prove that he can lift 100 tons?
IIRC, wasn't they on the moon instead of Earth? Haven't read that book in a while but I could have sworn that scene took place on the moon.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Earth, Moon, in terms of astronomical distances its negligible. Light will still take about 8 minutes from the Sun to the Moon.
I beiieve Superman can travel through space at light speed. Why would I deny this when he has done it? It's space flight. I can name numerous of people that isn't as fast as Supes that could achieve light in space, so.why shouldn't he be capable of doing so. I just think Country is saying Superman cant travel as fast as Gladiator and I agree based off of quote alone.
I'm not interested in space flight, not my cup of tea. I like looking at speed fts that happens in an gravitational environment...something like this.
Originally posted by carver9
I beiieve Superman can travel through space at light speed. Why would I deny this when he has done it? It's space flight. I can name numerous of people that isn't as fast as Supes that could achieve light in space, so.why shouldn't he be capable of doing so. I just think Country is saying Superman cant travel as fast as Gladiator and I agree based off of quote alone.I'm not interested in space flight, not my cup of tea. I like looking at speed fts that happens in an gravitational environment...something like this.
Erm, doing it under a minute, when light takes 8 minutes, doesn't make him a lightspeeder. It makes him 8 times faster than light. Not near light velocity, but multiples of that.
Why would gravity affect speed? Unless you're arguing that space fliers always slingshot themselves around? Because there's always gravity present, even in space - that's why we have orbits, after all.
I think you mean atmospheric environments...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm, doing it under a minute, when light takes 8 minutes, doesn't make him a lightspeeder. It makes him 8 times faster than light. Not near light velocity, but multiples of that.Why would gravity affect speed? Unless you're arguing that space fliers always slingshot themselves around? Because there's always gravity present, even in space - that's why we have orbits, after all.
I think you mean atmospheric environments...
Yes, atmoshperic environments...something that can pull on you while flying.
Vulcan flew from Earth to the Shiar empire in a week which is a FTL ft.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%201/1.jpg
Vulcan flies so fast that the stars around him becomes a blur.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%202/2.jpg
I can also show Vulcan flying past planets in no time. The point is, he is a light speedster in space.
Let's look at what happens with all these light speed fts.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Imperial%20Guard/Kallark-ReacttoBullet.jpg
He was unable to react to a sniper bullet. Thats why I'm not impressed by space flight. There are others showings like this as well from other characters that has flown through space at light but I think you get the point.
Originally posted by carver9
There is no depth since you are clearly trolling.Masterson was on the ground and was HELPLESS until he snuck attack Glads, a Gladiator that was standing over him laughing like Masterson was a weakling.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/367/50212917oa1.jpg/
Like I said, something is wrong with you.
Yeah pretty much. 😆
Originally posted by carver9
He already tried blasting Gladiator ending with it bouncing off of Glads chest. Your entire argument fails. Masterson was helpless TWICE in that fight and got WAXED while the fight was going on. He didn't have an advantage not once in that fight and you bringing up a lame sneak attack when he couldn't do it face to face is making you look weak.Masterson getting destroyed.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/117/36522402ss6.jpg/
Get over it Jake...just stop bro.
Let it go it's not worth it. Gladiator was whooping that ass during the masterson fight, but he acts like he dosen't understand what we are talking about. F' it I'm done.
EDIT: he keeps saying masterson almost killed Glads, but WTF was happening during most of the fight???? Masterson was getting raped. Glads could have easily killed masterson if he wanted to before the PIS.
Originally posted by Hyperion PrimeEDIT: he keeps saying masterson almost killed Glads, but WTF was happening during most of the fight???? Masterson was getting raped. Glads could have easily killed masterson if he wanted to before the PIS.
Not really. He won as soon as he used Lightning. I'd say what was PIS and CIS was that he didn't use Lightning from the beginning.
But as it was he actually got into a punch fest with Glads, and despite Gladiator using his speed, Masterson didn't do too bad. He matched him in the mercy strength contest, and did get in a couple of licks himself.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not really. He won as soon as he used Lightning. I'd say what was PIS and CIS was that he didn't use Lightning from the beginning.But as it was he actually got into a punch fest with Glads, and despite Gladiator using his speed, Masterson didn't do too bad. He matched him in the mercy strength contest, and did get in a couple of licks himself.
Uuuummm, Masteron got one lick in that entire fight and he even tried to use versatility but his blast bounced off of Gladiator chest like it was nothing. A sneak attack was his only saving grace and before this sneak attack, he was getting worked. Hell, Wonderman looked more impressive against Gladiator than Masterson.
Originally posted by carver9Superman has traveled to other galaxies in a few moments. That's at least hundreds of thousands of light years away. A light year is the distance light can travel in a year. So if someone travel 100,000 light years in a year then they traveled 100,000 x the speed of light. But Superman travel more than 100,000 light years in far less time than a year (moments).
I beiieve Superman can travel through space at light speed. Why would I deny this when he has done it? It's space flight. I can name numerous of people that isn't as fast as Supes that could achieve light in space, so.why shouldn't he be capable of doing so. I just think Country is saying Superman cant travel as fast as Gladiator and I agree based off of quote alone.I'm not interested in space flight, not my cup of tea. I like looking at speed fts that happens in an gravitational environment...something like this.
Also Superman has talked and moved around within nanoseconds.
Originally posted by carver9
Uuuummm, Masteron got one lick in that entire fight and he even tried to use versatility but his blast bounced off of Gladiator chest like it was nothing. A sneak attack was his only saving grace and before this sneak attack, he was getting worked. Hell, Wonderman looked more impressive against Gladiator than Masterson.
I didn't say he was winning. I said it essentially ended up being a punchfest with Glads using his far superior speed.
Leaning against the wall...headache like he's never had...was wide open for an attack from Gladiator.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6899/thorglad061bb7fe.jpg
Gets completely dominated by Gladiator yet again.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/981/thorglad074ic7zx.jpg
Body is limp again...admits that it feels like every bone in his body is in pain.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8135/thorglad087ca5rc.jpg
Gladiator could have destroyed him but he decided to laugh at Masterson being a weak feeb.
Masterson tried using versatility and questioned himself because he knew it wouldn't work (outside of sneak attacking Glads).
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5503/thorglad036eg7wc.jpg
Masterson got worked.
