DARTH POWER
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Originally posted by h1a8
Although I don't recall Hulk touching Quicksilver while being aware, him hitting by touching quicksilver when quicksilver wasn't using speed is irrelevant anyway.
Hulk hit classic quicksilver while he was using his speed. Hulk is pretty fast. But I agree it's irrelevant, because neither Hulk nor Classic Quicksilver are anywhere near as fast as Gladiator.
Originally posted by h1a8
Every speedster has been hit by a much slower moving enemy. Doesn't make the slower moving enemy super fast now does it?
But I'm betting the majority of those much slower enemies haven't had their reaction time stated in the micro-second like Thor. And I'm betting most of them don't have Omni-Directional or Light Speed attacks.
Thor has a legitimate powerset to deal with speedsters without it being called PIS.
Originally posted by h1a8
But Surfer used his freaking speed against Hulk but not against Thor. Also you are forgeting that Hulk fought Thor and Hulk didn't look any slower.
Yes he did. He was whizzing around Asgard using his speed.
And Thor was quicker than Hulk when they fought. But it was made clear he had to put Mjolnir away to make it a fair fight (at that time).
It's Mjolnir that has the speed and gives Thor the Versatility required to combat speedsters. I never said it was the speed of his punches without Mjolnir. But his reaction time, reflexes and speed perception are damn good.
And the more important point is that the comic made it perfectly clear that Surfer did not have the powerset to defeat Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
Comics don't work that way. Writer's have and always exercised the right to ignore a character's speed for the sake of a good fight. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many examples of where slowers engage fasters.
LOL Doesn't mean they had to go to the extreme and make it clear Thor>Surfer.
They could have made Thor and Surfer seem even in power level. Or they could have made it Thor who was amped. But they didn't.
Thor was clearly intended to be top dog back in those classic days.
Originally posted by h1a8
doc ock is a human and has human reactions. He definitely should be slower than Spider-man as far as reaction speeds. And as far as movement speed, Spider-man outran bullets several times.
"Should" is different to "What IS". Fact is Doc Ock has the speed to take on Spidey. It's too consistent a showing to take any other way. You can't just start making up your own comic book rules.
Originally posted by h1a8
And Superman didn't blitz him while the writer allowed Superman to fight at Grundy's speed.
Point is Supes HAS defeated Grundy by speed blitzing him. So it's been shown Supes CAN do that. It's never been shown that Surfer or Gladiator or Hyperion can defeat Thor using their speed alone. Lol It's not even been shown any of those guys can even defeat Thor in any way!
Because tbh I think writers still see him as top dog.
Originally posted by h1a8
They are in his respect thread. Him and Hyperion were maneuvering, throwing and blocking punches at each other within nanoseconds. If you can't find it then I will for you.
I've seen it. Writing was small but as far as I could tell it was only one punch of Hyperion's that was stated to be in nanoseconds. (And yes Glads blocked it).
But it wasn't stated anywhere that the whole fight was taking place in nanoseconds.
Thor also has ridiculously fast attacks. The speed Mjolnir will hit his opponent at. His Lightspeed energy attacks.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why is it an alternate future Gladiator? A Gladiator 30 years in the future doesn't make it an alternate future version. Alternate future versions of anything are from parallel universes, not the same universe.
Because he was from a future that no longer exists. In that future he may have learned the ability to increase his molecules to hyper speed and keep them at that speed for long durations.
But simply there's no evidence current Glads can do that.
Originally posted by h1a8
They failed when they weren't using their speed.
Gladiator, Hyperion, Silver Surfer.. They've always used their speed against Thor. It's just too consistent a showing Thor has against these guys to call it PIS. It's simply the laws Comic Books have set out for us. When you write comics, your welcome to change those rules.
Originally posted by h1a8
Writer's never allowed it. Actually writer's multiple times have shown that Thor CAN be overwhelmed when a character actually uses his speed on him. Thor has looked bad 100% of the time when a character has actually used their speed on him. The only way for him to affect quicksilver was to hit the ground. And what Masterson did was the only way to stop Spidey.
Current Quicksilver is damn fast. And Thor just needed to use a mere fraction of his versatility to hit him. And it didn't take him long at all.
And Spidey was never said to be too fast for Masterson. He was said to be too difficult to hit due to his mobility (jumping all around him), and his spider sense (it's as if he knows when i'm going to attack).
In any case as soon as he does an Omni-Blast he hits Spiderman, he hits, Wolverine, he hits Quicksilver, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, Gladiator all of them.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lee never had Surfer use his great speed in combat against Thor. You telling me that Thor can come anywhere as close to searching a whole planet before someone finishes a sentence? The speed difference is greatly apparent. Everyone knows this, except you.
Surfer was whizzing around in the background. Surfer could evade Hulk's attacks but not Thor's.
No Thor isn't as fast as Surfer. But Lee made it perfectly clear from day 1 that in combat Thor has the greater power set of the 2.
