Originally posted by carver9Good job conceding already.
I never said I wanted to battlezone you so why even bring it up? We can debate here. Bieb, I never stated you was a bad debator because I would be lying but like I said, you are not ready for me. I have debated against you on NUMEROUS of occasions so I'm ready for this.I corrected some errors in your post, I seen you made some mistakes...helped you out bro.
I'm not ready for what? A headache? I get migraines almost every day, I'm sure I can handle three posts until you give up.
Since you so want to try and bait me into a real post by acting like you're a good poster, fine.
Gladiator's vaunted speed has him getting hit by Thor before he can swing his fist while Thor is laying in the dirt on his stomach.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator07v235.jpg
Masterson Thor reacts to Gladaitor trying to kill him... twice:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpg
And yes, Gladiator did end up looking better here, but it certainly wasn't because of speed, but rather raw power. Something real Thor shows Gladiator all about. Plus Masterson beat Gladiator to within an inch of his life anyway...
Real Thor beats the shit out of Gladiator when he gets mad:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator11.jpg
There, Thor can not only react to Gladiator, but can hurt him badly too. But that's not all. Due to recent developments, we've seen Gladiator having a weakness to magic.
*your own scan*
http://f.imagehost.org/view/0686/06_5
I don't even need to delve deeper into that. The only time Gladiator's speed was "too much" for Thor was when he distracted Thor with a building and for some reason Thor felt the need to hack away at it instead of using a shield. Other than that, there's three instances of him reacting to Glads and even more if you use the "far future" Glads.
We know Thor can hurt Gladiator badly. Hell, this was an average feat for him. Nevermind that, but now Gladiator has a confirmed weakness to magic as opposed to when he didn't when he got his shit pushed in against Thor. Does that spell him winning for you? If Gladiator's low feats, and bad showings weren't enough ammo against him before, he now has two confirmed weakenesses in radiation and magic. One Thor can make, and one Thor's hammer is made of.
Thor's hammer that has produced some of the most powerful shots in comic history is now a confirmed weakness against someone he has been shown to react to. Let that sink in a little Carter.
So if I don't feel the need to debate against something as trivial as Gladiator vs Thor, it's because the odds are so stupidly stacked in Thor's court that it's retarded to try and prove it.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Good job conceding already.I'm not ready for what? A headache? I get migraines almost every day, I'm sure I can handle three posts until you give up.
Since you so want to try and bait me into a real post by acting like you're a good poster, fine.
Gladiator's vaunted speed has him getting hit by Thor before he can swing his fist while Thor is laying in the dirt on his stomach.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator07v235.jpgMasterson Thor reacts to Gladaitor trying to kill him... twice:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator03.jpgAnd yes, Gladiator did end up looking better here, but it certainly wasn't because of speed, but rather raw power. Something real Thor shows Gladiator all about. Plus Masterson beat Gladiator to within an inch of his life anyway...
Real Thor beats the shit out of Gladiator when he gets mad:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator11.jpgThere, Thor can not only react to Gladiator, but can hurt him badly too. But that's not all. Due to recent developments, we've seen Gladiator having a weakness to magic.
*your own scan*
http://f.imagehost.org/view/0686/06_5I don't even need to delve deeper into that. The only time Gladiator's speed was "too much" for Thor was when he distracted Thor with a building and for some reason Thor felt the need to hack away at it instead of using a shield. Other than that, there's three instances of him reacting to Glads and even more if you use the "far future" Glads.
We know Thor can hurt Gladiator badly. Hell, this was an average feat for him. Nevermind that, but now Gladiator has a confirmed weakness to magic as opposed to when he didn't when he got his shit pushed in against Thor. Does that spell him winning for you? If Gladiator's low feats, and bad showings weren't enough ammo against him before, he now has two confirmed weakenesses in radiation and magic. One Thor can make, and one Thor's hammer is made of.
Thor's hammer that has produced some of the most powerful shots in comic history is now a confirmed weakness against someone he has been shown to react to. Let that sink in a little Carter.
So if I don't feel the need to debate against something as trivial as Gladiator vs Thor, it's because the odds are so stupidly stacked in Thor's court that it's retarded to try and prove it.
Your entire post fails though since THE REAL Gladiator and Thor never met. You showcasing those scans against a future Gladiator "who is not the real deal" is like me showcasing this...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads4.jpg
This is a future FATIGUED Gladiator stalemating a Thor with increased speed...a Thor that was so amped that he was moving around at hyper speed and he still failed at dropping an exhausted Gladiator that was holding his own. So not only was Thor amped, he was fighting someone that was fatigued after continuously operating at hyper speed and still failed at dropping him and was impressed by Gladiator power. Good job Thor...future Glads for the win.
Yes, he is weak to magic but he can also overcome it to an extent which is shown in the scan you posted.
By the way, we don't know if Thor can hurt Gladiator badly or not since they've never fought. This might happen...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/
Or this
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/503/40072776mz5.jpg/
Or this...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/355/89200274nk8.jpg/
Or this...
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6308/nova037dq.jpg
Don't know since they have never met. Gladiator is physically more formidable imo. Your post didn't change any of this. Gladiator has the strength, speed, and durability edge whereas Thor has the versatility and raw power edge...this could go either way if both play their cards right. Thor better hope Gladiator showing against Phoenix isn't better...that will just shine more light on my argument.
Originally posted by carver9
Your entire post fails though since THE REAL Gladiator and Thor never met. You showcasing those scans against a future Gladiator "who is not the real deal" is like me showcasing this...http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads4.jpgThis is a future FATIGUED Gladiator stalemating a Thor with increased speed...a Thor that was so amped that he was moving around at hyper speed and he still failed at dropping an exhausted Gladiator that was holding his own. So not only was Thor amped, he was fighting someone that was fatigued after continuously operating at hyper speed and still failed at dropping him and was impressed by Gladiator power. Good job Thor...future Glads for the win.
Yes, he is weak to magic but he can also overcome it to an extent which is shown in the scan you posted.
By the way, we don't know if Thor can hurt Gladiator badly or not since they've never fought. This might happen...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/
Or this
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/503/40072776mz5.jpg/
Or this...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/355/89200274nk8.jpg/
Or this...
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6308/nova037dq.jpg
Don't know since they have never met. Gladiator is physically more formidable imo. Your post didn't change any of this. Gladiator has the strength, speed, and durability edge whereas Thor has the versatility and raw power edge...this could go either way if both play their cards right. Thor better hope Gladiator showing against Phoenix isn't better...that will just shine more light on my argument.
Originally posted by carver9I just showed you Masterson reacting to the real Gladiator though... and considering Masterson won... and Masterson is so much less impressive than real Thor...
Your entire post fails though since THE REAL Gladiator and Thor never met. You showcasing those scans against a future Gladiator "who is not the real deal" is like me showcasing this...http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/ThorandGlads4.jpgThis is a future FATIGUED Gladiator stalemating a Thor with increased speed...a Thor that was so amped that he was moving around at hyper speed and he still failed at dropping an exhausted Gladiator that was holding his own. So not only was Thor amped, he was fighting someone that was fatigued after continuously operating at hyper speed and still failed at dropping him and was impressed by Gladiator power. Good job Thor...future Glads for the win.
Yes, he is weak to magic but he can also overcome it to an extent which is shown in the scan you posted.
By the way, we don't know if Thor can hurt Gladiator badly or not since they've never fought. This might happen...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/
Or this
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/503/40072776mz5.jpg/
Or this...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/355/89200274nk8.jpg/
Or this...
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6308/nova037dq.jpg
Don't know since they have never met. Gladiator is physically more formidable imo. Your post didn't change any of this. Gladiator has the strength, speed, and durability edge whereas Thor has the versatility and raw power edge...this could go either way if both play their cards right. Thor better hope Gladiator showing against Phoenix isn't better...that will just shine more light on my argument.
Also, me showing you a scene from which many Gladiator fans have shown before is akin to using a scene in which Gladiator goes into hyperspeed... something he's never done in 616? Sure thing Carter. That Gladiator was so much faster than 616 it's ridiculous. And he never showed any power advantage either over Thor which is even worse considering how much more impressive he was.
You want to see 616 Glads using his speed in a pissed off state?
http://i49.tinypic.com/24g81hk.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/6hp9bl.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/m1oh4.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/16lemn4.jpg
And yes, there was speedlines in both sets. Add that in with Masterson reacting to him, and you have a guy fully in Thor's range to react to.
You really want to go into high feat mode with Thor? No, let's play that ****ing game.
Let's mix it up though, let's show durability in here too.
Taking shots from Maxam and Drax with the PG:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorDurability32469Blunt.jpg
Takes a blast from Surfer:
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/?action=view¤t=ThorvsSilverSurfer19MightyThor5.jpg
Takes a board throw from Surfer:
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/?action=view¤t=ThorvsSilverSurfer15.jpg
And I bet you know why both of these are relevant don't you? It's because a weaker Surfer has taken out Savage Hulk with attacks, while it barely caused Thor any damage at all.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk3.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk02.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk03.jpg
Let's move onto output, shall we? Keep in mind, none of these beings has a weakness to magic like Gladiator does.
Dents Surfer's head:
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/?action=view¤t=ThorvsSilverSurfer11MightyThor3.jpg
One shots upgraded Thing:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/fi5oroboroscps012.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/fi5oroboroscps013.jpg/
Manages to hurt Galactus:
http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/?action=view¤t=ThorvsSilverSurfer17.jpg
And here:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus02.jpg
Beats Ego:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo05.jpg
Damages Celestials and since it works as durability too...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg
Knocks out Drax with the Power Gem:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsInfinityWatch01469.jpg
Knocks it out of him:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsInfinityWatch06.jpg
And I'm going to stop there. That's all that's needed for now, but know that there is many many more feats of this type of shit. Look at how pathetic Gladiator's high feats look against that. Sad really.
Yes Carver, that is going to happen though just because they never fought, we don't know... but it could!
Except none of those people are on Thor's level, and even Masterson showed that was just him holding back later on.
Plus, the Masterson case was before the magic weakness as well. You add in the magic weakness, and how hard Thor is able to hit... seriously, terrible odds for Glads. Yes he overcame the magic, but it effected him still. Add in the serious magic of Thor and how hard the guy hits? There is no way he's going to simply overcome it like so.
You're playing the "He might be able to shrug it off" case against one of the bigger hitters in Marvel. Thor is your favorite character, you should know how futile this is. If you honestly think that's a possibility then you know nothing of both characters. Simply put.
Strength and durability edge? Even so, Thor went against Kurse who's 4 times stronger than him and ended the battle like so:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse05486.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse08488.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsKurse09.jpg
You think any sort of strength advantage Gladiator might have won't be offset by the massive hitting power of Mjolnir or something? You think durability is going to matter when Thor hits as hard as I've shown.
Also, funny at the Phoenix comment. Comparable opponents doesn't turn out well for Gladiator either.
Thor's never been beaten as bad against Hulk as Glads has.
A mind controlled Thor came out unharmed against Nova. Same can't be said for the opposite.
Thor actually beat Black Bolt, where as Glads has been KO'ed by him, stalemated, and needed help against him.
And Thor was never knocked absolutely silly against Masterson.
And half of Thor's fights aren't losses either.
^Sr J-Bieb has killed this argument. Twice now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, that'd be trying to drag superman here in this thread where he isn't a fighter and claiming that thor only lost because DC proteced superman.
Nah he lost because Thor completely forgot Mjolnir can abosorb Heat Vision. He must have been drunk 😛
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^Sr J-Bieb has killed this argument. Twice now.Nah he lost because Thor completely forgot Mjolnir can abosorb Heat Vision. He must have been drunk 😛
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, I forgot that one blast of HV can soften thor so much that he gets knocked out. There goes thor's legendary energy durability.
Hey? Supes Heat Vision's deadly even to High Heralds! Maybe it was arrogance of Thor to try and prove he can tank everything Supes can give him, but that's not exactly in charcter for Thor.
He deflects Gladiator's Heat Vision, Absorbs all Surfer's and Thanos's balsts. Not sure why he would purposefully choose to tank Supes!
Like I said he must have been drunk. Or just forgot he can do that. Or just being more arrogant than he usually is.
Because your right DC wouldn't protect Supes. Why would they?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention that thor was hardly even slowed down by HV.
Are we talking about the same scene? Thor was screaming in pain! And yet continued walking up to Supes choosing to tank it all.
It damaged Thor enough to be KO'd by one punch.
For the record I don't have a problem with Supes just barely defeating Thor. But I do have a problem with the way it was done. Mainly how it ended.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERBusiek explained it as thor choosing to attack superman at full force rather than absorbing HV. Meh, they were both OOC at the time.
Hey? Supes Heat Vision's deadly even to High Heralds! Maybe it was arrogance of Thor to try and prove he can tank everything Supes can give him, but that's not exactly in charcter for Thor.
He deflects Gladiator's Heat Vision, Absorbs all Surfer's and Thanos's balsts. Not sure why he would purposefully choose to tank Supes!Maybe he got angry at "puny god" comment.
Like I said he must have been drunk. Or just forgot he can do that. Or just being more arrogant than he usually is.He was just angry IMO.
Because your right DC wouldn't protect Supes. Why would they?Superman vs venom, superman vs jean grey and superman vs silver surfer where surfer was depicted as far powerful than superman comes to mind.
Are we talking about the same scene? Thor was screaming in pain! And yet continued walking up to Supes choosing to tank it all.Screaming=/=so badly damaged that you got knocked out by one punch after it and yes thor showed no physical sign that he was too damaged by HV after the fight.
It damaged Thor enough to be KO'd by one punch.Speculation and thor wasn't shown as anything particularly damaged after the fight where he was holding his chin.
[b] For the record I don't have a problem with Supes just barely defeating Thor.Barely? Thor got koed and superman got hit by a heavily amped Iron man's repulsors at a close proximity (Tony previously oneshotted diana and kyle) and got beaten by five of the strongest avengers and still got up at the same time as thor. How does it translates in being barely able to beat thor is beyond me.
But I do have a problem with the way it was done. Mainly how it ended. [/B]As do I.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You and me both know you don't want to debate me without the insults.But, next time I get home (since I might be leaving tomorrow), I want to have a battlezone with you, and that's from a guy who hates battlezones.
Thor vs Gladiator. You want to see what I can muster up making thoughtful posts Carter?
Do it for the High Herald title.
Sorry all trying to advertise . 😄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, I forgot that one blast of HV can soften thor so much that he gets knocked out. There goes thor's legendary energy durability. Not to mention that thor was hardly even slowed down by HV.
On your comment, I have a question: Are u following AvX, Cos Thor took it from Phoenix in 3 different confrontation and looked ok, knowing how powerful Phoenix is.
