What kills me is Hulk inexplicably knowing that Gladiator is "vulnerable to some forms of radiant energy" though this is their 1st encounter, chokeslamming him into a nuclear reactor (which just so happens to have the needed frequency) which knocks Gladiator, and the "feedback" of Kallark's eyebeams, which puts this whole joke in motion, harming him when he's the source of the damn things. That whole sequence, while canon, is horrible writing and makes no sense.
Originally posted by h1a8
You don't understand. Thor only omniblasts when he is against multiple opponents, not a single opponent. So if Thor can omniblast then Glads can fight at full speed and prevent Thor from doing anything by continuing to rock him. You can't think if you are rocked. Also Glads can attack with punches, hv, freeze breath all simultaneously from various angles and from behind. He doesn't usually fight like that but neither does Thor omniblast against single humanoid opponents. So again Thor loses that battle and my scenario is the truth, not yours. That's not the way comics work. Comics purposely and constantly ignore speed to create a matchup. Surfer and Glads fought many slow beings in comics. From the Hulk, to thing, to etc. for their entire career. And it was made clear that Surfer didn't use his speed against the Hulk and many other slower beings in other confrontations.Thor's not out of his league against speedsters because speedsters miraculously forget they have speed against Thor. Marvel is not stupid.
Bottom line Glads and Surfer didn't use their top speed against Thor ever. If they did then Thor would have lost. Writer's know this, fans know this. Writer's know Thor is popular and makes them money. Add it up.
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Thor's omniblasted when dealing with a single foe before. He's invoked planetary level storms against single targets, so not sure where you're getting your facts from, but they're not coming from Thor's comics, that's for sure. We've also seen Thor weather powerful attacks and still have the wherewithal to think and react despite the pain, so really, this "combo to ko" stratagem doesn't hold much weight when you look at actual comics. Gladiator can attack from multiple directions using his powers in such a way we've never seen him do, true. Thor can like wise throw Mjolnir and mentally command it to assail Gladiator, acting from every which angle and ricocheting off of him only to strike him again. If you want to make up unlikely strategies for Gladiator winning based on how he fights normally, prepare for the flood gates to open on Thor's behalf and the staggering level of things he could probably do.
Thor's lost plenty of fights to less popular characters. 😐 Marvel doesn't give Thor the win over characters just because he's Thor. Hell, if anything, based on his feats, writers know that Thor's best would obliterate Gladiator so they purposefully toned him down so that Kallark wouldn't die. I guess a blood lusted Gladiator who actually wants to kill Thor wasn't really trying and not exploiting his speed...even though it was clear he did.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
That whole fight was pure Exlax fuled crap. 🙄
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...Thor's omniblasted when dealing with a single foe before. He's invoked planetary level storms against single targets, so not sure where you're getting your facts from, but they're not coming from Thor's comics, that's for sure. We've also seen Thor weather powerful attacks and still have the wherewithal to think and react despite the pain, so really, this "combo to ko" stratagem doesn't hold much weight when you look at actual comics. Gladiator can attack from multiple directions using his powers in such a way we've never seen him do, true. Thor can like wise throw Mjolnir and mentally command it to assail Gladiator, acting from every which angle and ricocheting off of him only to strike him again. If you want to make up unlikely strategies for Gladiator winning based on how he fights normally, prepare for the flood gates to open on Thor's behalf and the staggering level of things he could probably do.
Thor's lost plenty of fights to less popular characters. 😐 Marvel doesn't give Thor the win over characters just because he's Thor. Hell, if anything, based on his feats, writers know that Thor's best would obliterate Gladiator so they purposefully toned him down so that Kallark wouldn't die. I guess a blood lusted Gladiator who actually wants to kill Thor wasn't really trying and not exploiting his speed...even though it was clear he did.
👆 Thanks for saving me the time to write pretty much that Jake. And thanks for writing it better than I would have!
Originally posted by MF DELPHHim "inexplicably knowing" about the radiant energy weakness was an inference based on the prior feedback of Gladiator's own eyebeams. And don't people have their eyebeams feedback on them all the time?
What kills me is Hulk inexplicably knowing that Gladiator is "vulnerable to some forms of radiant energy" though this is their 1st encounter, chokeslamming him into a nuclear reactor (which just so happens to have the needed frequency) which knocks Gladiator, and the "feedback" of Kallark's eyebeams, which puts this whole joke in motion, harming him when he's the source of the damn things. That whole sequence, while canon, is horrible writing and makes no sense.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYeah but against the Serpent, but that wasn't truly an omnidirectional blast now was it, nor was it a humanoid type opponent.. Stop being slick Slick.
...Thor's omniblasted when dealing with a single foe before.
He's invoked planetary level storms against single targets, so not sure where you're getting your facts from, but they're not coming from Thor's comics, that's for sure.Irrelevant. A planetary storm is not an omnidirectional attack and it certainly wasn't against A SINGLE humanoid foe. Again with the slick stuff?
We've also seen Thor weather powerful attacks and still have the wherewithal to think and react despite the pain, so really, this "combo to ko" stratagem doesn't hold much weight when you look at actual comics.Huh? What does pain got to do with being rocked? It's the brain that controls everything remember.
Gladiator can attack from multiple directions using his powers in such a way we've never seen him do, true. Thor can like wise throw Mjolnir and mentally command it to assail Gladiator, acting from every which angle and ricocheting off of him only to strike him again.No he can't because he would have been rocked before he threw the hammer. And even if Thor throws the hammer he's a sitting duck and Glads can rock him silly. The hammer can't be commanded or act if Thor is unconscious or rocked.
If you want to make up unlikely strategies for Gladiator winning based on how he fights normally, prepare for the flood gates to open on Thor's behalf and the staggering level of things he could probably do.Rule #1 never read someone's post without seeing the post they are replying to. I'm not making up unlikely scenarios. I was responding to someone else for making up unlikely scenarios. He made up that Thor will omniblast Glads. I said, then we must allow Glads to use his full speed then and not allow Thor a chance to act.
BS, a Glads using his actual powers to the best of his ability will decimate Thor with ease. Not only would Thor not get a chance to do anything but he would lose in less than 1 minute.Thor's lost plenty of fights to less popular characters. 😐 Marvel doesn't give Thor the win over characters just because he's Thor. Hell, if anything, based on his feats, writers know that Thor's best would obliterate Gladiator so they purposefully toned him down so that Kallark wouldn't die. I guess a blood lusted Gladiator who actually wants to kill Thor wasn't really trying and not exploiting his speed...even though it was clear he did.
Speed kills.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah but against the Serpent, but that wasn't truly an omnidirectional blast now was it, nor was it a humanoid type opponent.. Stop being slick Slick.
Point is your having Gladiator use his abilities to their upmost from the beginning of the fight. So the only fair comparison would be Thor doing the same.
Originally posted by h1a8
Irrelevant. A planetary storm is not an omnidirectional attack and it certainly wasn't against A SINGLE humanoid foe. Again with the slick stuff?
Make up your mind about the point your trying to make.
Your saying Thor doesn't fight like that. Ok.
But since we've never seen Thor being frozen in time to Gladiator (even though you claim he would be if using his speed to the utmost) then clearly Gladiator doesn't/will not do that either.
Originally posted by h1a8
Huh? What does pain got to do with being rocked? It's the brain that controls everything remember. No he can't because he would have been rocked before he threw the hammer. And even if Thor throws the hammer he's a sitting duck and Glads can rock him silly. The hammer can't be commanded or act if Thor is unconscious or rocked.
Oooh all this talk about rocking is rocking my head..
Glads used his speed to Rock Masterson Thor, and yet Masterson Thor (an inferior opponent to the real deal) was not finished just by being rocked. He was able to react.
Thor showed against Hercules that he can shoot Lightning at his opponent (without Mjolnir mind you) while being choked out and about to fall into unconciousness.
Surely his brain cells wern't functioning at their optimum capacity in that scenario either. Much like being "Rocked"
Originally posted by h1a8
Rule #1 never read someone's post without seeing the post they are replying to. I'm not making up unlikely scenarios. I was responding to someone else for making up unlikely scenarios. He made up that Thor will omniblast Glads. I said, then we must allow Glads to use his full speed then and not allow Thor a chance to act.
No. That's not what happened at all. I "made up" Thor Omni-Blasting Galds from the get go in response to your imaginary scenario that Glads uses his full speed from the get go attempting a combo to KO and doesn't give Thor a chance to do anything.
I don't see how your scenario is any less "made up" than mine, since neither has ever happened in their fights with each other.
Originally posted by h1a8
BS, a Glads using his actual powers to the best of his ability will decimate Thor with ease. Not only would Thor not get a chance to do anything but he would lose in less than 1 minute.Speed kills.
Unless Thor uses his actual powers to the best of his ability.
All of Thor's fights with High Heralds from day one have never suggested Thor doesn't have the reflexes and reaction time to combat them.
Like I said in the first place, if they're both going All Out from the get go, then there's NO WAY Gladiator completes a Combo to KO Speed Blitz before Thor unleashes his Omni-Blast.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERNo it's different. Glad's speed is one of his main powers (Super strength, super speed, flight). Thor's omniblast is a rare power not even remotely in close to being a main power. Also even if we allow Thor to use the omniblast, my scenario still holds the same.
Point is your having Gladiator use his abilities to their upmost from the beginning of the fight. So the only fair comparison would be Thor doing the same.
Writer's won't have Thor appearing as a statue to Glads for the same reason that Hulk will not be a statue to Glads, Doc Ock is not a statue to Spidey, Grundy is not a statue to Superman, Batman is not a statue to WW, ... I can go on forever.Make up your mind about the point your trying to make.
Your saying Thor doesn't fight like that. Ok.But since we've never seen Thor being frozen in time to Gladiator (even though you claim he would be if using his speed to the utmost) then clearly Gladiator doesn't/will not do that either.
Masterson is not inferior to the real Thor physically. They are equals by intention and enchantment and a feat proving they are equals (when they clashed). Odinson knows how to use Mjolnir better and has more experience and that's the only reason why he is superior to Masterson.Oooh all this talk about rocking is rocking my head..
Glads used his speed to Rock Masterson Thor, and yet Masterson Thor (an inferior opponent to the real deal) was not finished just by being rocked. He was able to react.
I can do a math problem in my head while being choked to sleep. But I can't do one if someone lays a haymaker on me, not at least til I come to. Being choked still allows for thinking, no matter how close to unconscious you get. Being rocked cuts off thinking completely and immediately.Thor showed against Hercules that he can shoot Lightning at his opponent (without Mjolnir mind you) while being choked out and about to fall into unconciousness.
Surely his brain cells wern't functioning at their optimum capacity in that scenario either. Much like being "Rocked"
Glads HAS used speed from the get go before (and thus it's in his character) and plus we are under the full capacity rule that allows him to use his speed.No. That's not what happened at all. I "made up" Thor Omni-Blasting Galds from the get go in response to your imaginary scenario that Glads uses his full speed from the get go attempting a combo to KO and doesn't give Thor a chance to do anything.
That's irrelevant. All that matters is if it's in a character's character. It's certainly in Glads character because he has used his speed as one of his main powers countless times. He even fought Hyperion at ftl speeds. And you are wrong, Glads has fought Thor at hyper speed when Thor was sped up by Reed.I don't see how your scenario is any less "made up" than mine, since neither has ever happened in their fights with each other.
That's because the writer's never wrote those heralds using their speed against him. The same reason why we speedsters not use speed on Hulk, Grundy, etc.Unless Thor uses his actual powers to the best of his ability.
All of Thor's fights with High Heralds from day one have never suggested Thor doesn't have the reflexes and reaction time to combat them.
Glads just hits him very hard just once and waits. Thor would be rocked like hell. And when Thor tries something, Glads nails him again (or blasts him in the eye with hv) even if he has to wade through an omniblast.Like I said in the first place, if they're both going All Out from the get go, then there's NO WAY Gladiator completes a Combo to KO Speed Blitz before Thor unleashes his Omni-Blast.
Also, I'm not sure an omnidirectional blast would phase Glads enough to stop him from rocking Thor again. Energy can be waded through (like Thor against Superman's hv, or Hulk against many). Glads can survive in the core of stars without harm whatsoever. I doubt Thor's omniblast is that powerful.
Let's be reasonable though. It makes full sense why Thor used the omniblast those times (multiple people surrounding him). It doesn't make sense for Glads not to use his speed against someone he knows can beat him. Plus Glads speed is a MAIN power, not some random and rare power that only occurred less than 0.1% of his appearances. There is a HUGE difference between using an omniblast one person and someone using one of their main powers.
Gladiator will give Thor a good fight, but once Thor has had enough and stops holding back Gladiator gets beat down hard, Thor has shown and Gladiator admitted a "Older Gladiator from the future" that Thor is too powerful for him, period!
Feats/history powers and abilities have Thor as Gladiator superior!!!
Originally posted by quanchi112
h1 we take into consideration what the character does not the powerset alone. You wasted your time with that post. LOL.
Glads uses speed as shown in the comic. He fought Hyperion at ftl speeds. You wasted your time with that post.
Originally posted by zeel
good fight but thor eventually wins. Hes just on another level then glads. Speed is so overrated on these forums its not even funny.
Can a statue beat you? Or someone moving in super slow motion? Speed is underrated here.
Originally posted by h1a8
False, we follow forum rules which suggest that Flash will clock his enemy out instantly DESPITE the numerous times he didn't in the comic. Read the rule on full capacity please.Glads uses speed as shown in the comic. He fought Hyperion at ftl speeds. You wasted your time with that post.
As Leo pointed out before, the rules also say that characters fight in character unless said otherwise by the OP.
Full capacity means guy's like Gladiator fight without the excuse of lack of confidence.
Originally posted by h1a8
False, we follow forum rules which suggest that Flash will clock his enemy out instantly DESPITE the numerous times he didn't in the comic. Read the rule on full capacity please.Glads uses speed as shown in the comic. He fought Hyperion at ftl speeds. You wasted your time with that post.
Can a statue beat you? Or someone moving in super slow motion? Speed is underrated here.
i don't get why you're equating flash and glads. first off, glads IS allowed his speed--he typically blitzes/bullrushes. no one is saying he can't or won't. he does what he does in most books. the examples of him using his superman-esque combat speed are VERY few and far between however...... and so they aren't really taken as 'in character'.
flash otoh blitzes and uses his speed all the time. he DOES clock people before they can think. often. he does NOT use his dreaded IMP though, even though that would fall under 'full capacity' because? it's not typically IN CHARACTER.
legit question: how are you determining what's in character if NOT by their showings in comics?