Originally posted by ODG
Troll be trollin.
No need to judge and label Galan a troll, he/she has his/her own paradigm and to say he is trolling would be to say that his/her perception is disfunctional. Part of what makes this forum function, and succesfully fascilitate social interaction is the very fact that so many present here possess diverse paradigms in comparison to one another.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I do not subscribe to the idea that DC is equal to marvel, which is equal to image, which is equal to company etc.Marvel's TOAA is not necesarily equal to the presence, nor is the LT equal to the spectre. Marvel has never exceeded beyond metatextual limitations, DC as a whole has gone far beyond the deptg and scope of marvel.
I am not putting Marvel down at all, but the concept that cosmic armor superman is, is far beyond a megaverse which is ultimately what Marvel is. Marvel will eventually evolve as well, as it has always trailed on DC's conceptual path.
There is nothing wrong with this, it really is just an evolution of business model that reflects the paradigm of the current consumer that they are appealing to in their target market.
I am being 100% geniune with you, because I believe you will understand what I am saying. Its not about static power levels or a characters level of favor, it really is about the real world impact thar a fictional character's story has on the tangible lives of the people in our world.
I....I Don't know what's even going on anymore.
But to be honest, You guys are kinda wanking CA Superman too much just because his story/plot power-whatever.
Even a omni or a 4th wall breaking character can have that kind of power of it wents. It's not like Superman is really the first character that enter our world just because earth-prime is our world in the DC Universe.
There like a Earth-Prime like universe in Marvel as well. But does that mean Deadpool or She-Hulk is really on the real-life world because of 4th wall breaking powers? No, That be really stupid to know that superheros live in our world much s it be like saying the Slenderman or any creepypasta is real.
Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
I....I Don't know what's even going on anymore.But to be honest, You guys are kinda wanking CA Superman too much just because his story/plot power-whatever.
Even a omni or a 4th wall breaking character can have that kind of power of it wents. It's not like Superman is really the first character that enter our world just because earth-prime is our world in the DC Universe.
There like a Earth-Prime like universe in Marvel as well. But does that mean Deadpool or She-Hulk is really on the real-life world because of 4th wall breaking powers? No, That be really stupid to know that superheros live in our world much s it be like saying the Slenderman or any creepypasta is real.
The difference is that there are people like superboy prime who exited the comic world and entered our world, and was posting on the official dc comics forums of our world. This happened in our world and not in a comic.
Originally posted by JuntaiHe doubted the limits of his abilities in killing and ressurecting Death.
Originally posted by JuntaiHowever, that wasn't even the point. The point was that this feat was not beyond something Lucifer or Micheal could do. The Endless abstracts aren't nearly as powerful as those two. Lucifer flat out threatened death -- though didn't have his power at the time. Dream knew that challenging Lucifer was a suicide quest he wouldn't return from.
"Death" is more significant in Marvel than in DC,
like "Yahweh/Lucifer/Michael" is less significant in Marvel than in DC.
Originally posted by JuntaiIn this thread Mr Master goes on about how Spectre and Tribunal are the opposites.
Even argues about it with Abhi. These are the two beings he says are the overseers of the companies.
So in this thread Mr Master flips around and says
I went through this entire thread to make sure what I was sure of,
and I never once declared the LT and Spectre were "opposites."
That wasn't at all the center of my argument.
So for you to say I'm "going on about it" is, strange. Even using that, dude as a reference.
Then applying the idea that I'm somehow flipping based on this misconception.
I know that was an honest mistake cause you're no troll, but let's be thorough good friend.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The difference is that there are people like superboy prime who exited the comic world and entered our world, and was posting on the official dc comics forums of our world. This happened in our world and not in a comic.
Earth-Prime in the DC Universe is not really Our real-live world.
Otherwise, the Black Lanterns that came to that earth is really are real and attacked us before. And there powers doesn't fit in our laws of physics if you said that there real as we know it....
Originally posted by Board WalkerNo need to judge and label Galan a troll, he/she has his/her own paradigm
and to say he is trolling would be to say that his/her perception is disfunctional.
Part of what makes this forum function, and succesfully fascilitate social interaction
is the very fact that so many present here possess diverse paradigms in comparison to one another.
Originally posted by Board WalkerThe only troll here is you Galan, your opinion isn't fact and is merely a subjective perception.
Do not be threatened by the fact that so many accept the objective facts of my posts over yours.
Originally posted by Board WalkerGalan is by far the emperor troll of this forum,
he like photoshops comics every week and edits them to his subjective preferences,
amd then he throws them all over the character ownage thread as though they are objective.Mr. Master is decent because she actually listens to the facts I put forth,
and then uses them in all his future theories and posts.
Originally posted by Board WalkerYou all need to calm down and stop letting Galan derail this thread with his hate comments.
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As consistent as the madness you've been spreading incessantly in kmc.
Originally posted by Blockythe1guy
Earth-Prime in the DC Universe is not really Our real-live world.Otherwise, the Black Lanterns that came to that earth is really are real and attacked us before. And there powers doesn't fit in our laws of physics if you said that there real as we know it....
superboy prime was posting on the dc forums of our world, i am not referencing the earth prime universe. In our world on our internet superboy prime was posting on the dc comics forums, not in a comic.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI don't think Death is more significant in one than the other. Death will be the last being in creation in DC and will close the door at the end the universe. Death is an absolute concept, but Lucifer and Michael are largely greater than creation and helped make it. So the second half of that might be true. The difference in heirarchy doesn't change much based on who/what Death is, and who is mightier than it, though.
He never doubted killing her and his doubt was a wtf cause he recreated her easily. 😛Yea good friend but that's another writer's perspective in another company.
It's no different than Marvel's "Lucifer" and "Yahweh" and all "Heaven" who are beneath the Abstracts.
... and yes, the Marvel "divine" hierarchy is literally based on the real Bible."Death" is more significant in Marvel than in DC,
like "Yahweh/Lucifer/Michael" is less significant in Marvel than in DC.😐 Jun, you my boy and all but ... huh?
I went through this entire thread to make sure what I was sure of,
and I never once declared the LT and Spectre were "opposites."
That wasn't at all the center of my argument.
So for you to say I'm "going on about it" is, strange. Even using that, dude as a reference.
Then applying the idea that I'm somehow flipping based on this misconception.
I know that was an honest mistake cause you're no troll, but let's be thorough good friend.
I'll look back through the thread again but as I saw, you were reading it as the LT and Spectre were opposites, as in the retcon you used, were above The Brothers [the representation of the megaverses of Marvel and DC]. Suggesting they are represented as peers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Brothers' status seemed to be retconned, [b]not their history.I clearly stated, that nothing changed except for the LT and Spectre being portrayed as above them.
Therefore, the Brothers were still the "embodiments" of DC/Marvel in 98' and beyond,
only (in Adv of X-Men) they became LT's & Spectre's b*tch evidently, regardless of being DC/Marvel.. [/B]
Originally posted by Mr Master
-----------------------------------------The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉
Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂
(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)
So, without question, the [b]LT's bio
(concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.Why? hm
Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆
(2004)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."--------------------------------
(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"
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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
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The LT's bio NEVER meant two "megaverses" in Marvel, but instead two separate companies.
SO, without question:
There aren't two megaverses in Marvel[/i].
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever. [/B]
^^ That first post is from another thread though. 👆
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=604514&pagenumber=7
So, I'm sorry friend, but I didn't say that in this thread. 🙁
An honest mistake on your part again I'm sure.
Originally posted by JuntaiI don't think Death is more significant in one than the other. Death will be the last being in creation in DC and will close the door at the end the universe. Death is an absolute concept, but Lucifer and Michael are largely greater than creation and helped make it. So the second half of that might be true.
Originally posted by JuntaiI'll look back through the thread again but as I saw, you were reading it as the LT and Spectre were opposites, as in the retcon you used, were above The Brothers [the representation of the megaverses of Marvel and DC]. Suggesting they are represented as peers.
One thing though, in that particular arc which stands alone apparently,
yes, they were definitely imo equals, and both were above their respective Brother.
But if you're gonna use that as a reference you have to consider
that the LT and "Spectre" were above all of DC and Marvel. (both Brothers)
... in that perspective, they don't stand in their common/average status but far above it.
In other words, I doubt anyone in DC would've been above Spectre according to that showing imo.
