Originally posted by Galan007
He says a lot of his power is in that cup--ambiguous terminology, at best. He then says that he won't be able to bring her back once she's been erased.However, his own words were later contradicted when he did recreate Death... And easily so:
So yeah, it was only after he erased AND recreated Death that Beyonder commented on being tired/exhausted... And even then it was just relative exhaustion, as he was still FAR more powerful than the hierarchy/Owen despite his 'diminished' state.
You two are debating semantics because I went off memory and used 'most of' instead of 'a lot of' his power. He doubted the limits of his abilities in killing and ressurecting Death.
However, that wasn't even the point. The point was that this feat was not beyond something Lucifer or Micheal could do. The Endless abstracts aren't nearly as powerful as those two. Lucifer flat out threatened death -- though didn't have his power at the time. Dream knew that challenging Lucifer was a suicide quest he wouldn't return from.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15098126&highlight=Spectre+userid%3A88754#post15098126
In this thread Mr Master goes on about how Spectre and Tribunal are the opposites. Even argues about it with Abhi. These are the two beings he says are the overseers of the companies.
Well, the Spectre is Wrath printed onto The Logoz, a piece of the Presence.
So in this thread Mr Master flips around and says;
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Presence itself, is based on a twisted fictional rendition of the Bible.
I want my cake and I wanna eat it too.
Moving on; this is what happened when Spectre challenged Michael.
Notice how Spectre went so hard with him that afterwards he's hunched over on one knee, holding his head, saying how strong of an opponent Spectre is and always was?
Against Mandrakk 2, who isn't even a fraction as powerful as the first Mandrakk, being just a disciple, and hadn't fed the same, he decimated Spectre and Radiant, DC's defenders, at the same time.
And not only was The Spectre and Radiant defeated there, but the armies of Heaven showed up[who will not do so if not the will of the Presence] to help defeat this weaker Mandrakk, along with the assemblage of mightiest heroes of the 52. [Notice who was the mightiest hero in pretty much every universe? I did. 😉]
Following these lines of thought, the Thought Robot likely stronger than any character we've witnessed, even without any 'create/destroy' feats. It was made to adapt to anything to defeat the Ultimate Enemy, who was a probe being who was sent by a being so infinitely more powerful than creation it didn't even realize the germ existed within itself for billions of years of expansion.
As for that Fantastic 4 'writer' nonsense, it was merely how they perceived the creator. It doesn't suggest 'this is what the creator is' definitively anywhere, and no amount of scan spamming is going to change that being the narrative of that comic issue. But we've had this debate before years ago, and somehow it was forgot, just like how I had to re-point out hyperspace travel when I came back a few weeks ago.
The whole subscription that the 'writers/artists' are the top -characters- for a company is non-sense, and I can't believe any sensible poster engages in such a ridiculous discussion, or why I'm even having to talk about it here again.
Originally posted by Juntai
Its a bit muddy up here, but the Thought Robot is likely the most powerful character we've encountered so far.