Jack Bauer vs John McClane

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Jack is massively reliant on CTU for near constant support in doing 'his thing'. McClane virtually solos, in his shenanigans. And is way more durable bordering on the superhuman in that respect, inventive, is "born with a four leaf clover up his ass".

DH1: He had Al, Al literally saved his life.

DH2: He had the police and Marv.

DH3: He had the entire NYPD and Zeus.

DH4: He had the FBI, Farrell and that wizard guy.

Mac had just as much support, just from different people throughout.

From the odd individuals. Not an entire branch of CTU with support going up the the POTUS.

DH1: Debateable about if his life was saved, but yeah Al shot Karl.

DH2: Some minor support from a few AirPort police, you mean.. They did nothing to help in real terms...they were ajoke...they killed not one badguy.... and the guys who he thought we on his side infact were the badguys and were working to hinder/kill him

DH3: The NYPD weren't helping McClane directly. They were off trying locate bombs in schools etc doing their jobs. When they failed to be effective McClane killed all the badguys again...all whilst protecting Zeus...through a killer hangover. 😛

DH4: Again the FBI's appearance was tokenistic. they really didnt help much, maybe other than giving the assignment to McClane.
The assignment was to protect Farrell. Which he did single handedly. Wizard was just an exposition deliverer.

None of this and the evn the sum of it, fails to compare to the ridiculous levels of help that CTU would embellish Bauer with constantly.

Without wanting to be a reductionist: It comes back to Bauer and McClane being two different cliches:
'Slightly maverick Team player' and 'Ramboesque lone wolf' respectively.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=565396&pagenumber=20

As you can see "McClane's win" consisted entirely of Sadako and Rob's fanwanking with no actual evidence to support their claims 😂

Tonnes of evidence.

There is a subtle difference.

Lesty had all his 'arguments' refuted and he now proceeds to defamation of character and misrepresentation of facts and truth to emptily claim some sort of victory to 'recruit' those whom he thinks cannot think for themselves.

Read the entire thread and make your own minds up.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
From the odd individuals. Not an entire branch of CTU with support going up the the POTUS.

Support is support. Mac needed it, he got it.

DH1: Debateable about if his life was saved, but yeah Al shot Karl.

DH2: Some minor support from a few AirPort police, you mean.. They did nothing to help in real terms...they were ajoke...they killed not one badguy.... and the guys who he thought we on his side infact were the badguys and were working to hinder/kill him

And the NYPD SWAT team served as meat shields during the transponder shootout.

DH3: The NYPD weren't helping McClane directly. They were off trying locate bombs in schools etc doing their jobs. When they failed to be effective McClane killed all the badguys again...all whilst protecting Zeus...through a killer hangover. 😛

DH4: Again the FBI's appearance was tokenistic. they really didnt help much, maybe other than giving the assignment to McClane.
The assignment was to protect Farrell. Which he did single handedly. Wizard was just an exposition deliverer.

Wizard gave him support. He showed Mac where Woodlawn was. Farrell did all the tech work AND saved Mac's life.

pquote]None of this and the evn the sum of it, fails to compare to the ridiculous levels of help that CTU would embellish Bauer with constantly. [/quote] Nah, they both had pretty much equal support.

Without wanting to be a reductionist: It comes back to Bauer and McClane being two different cliches:
'Slightly maverick Team player' and 'Ramboesque lone wolf' respectively.

LoL, what utter nonsense. Trying to say McClane's help/resources is on par with Bauer's.

Like a fat cop on the outside, a maintenance man, a small business owner and a computer geek are equivalent to highly trained agents, SWAT-like teams, the CTU and having a direct line to the POTUS.

But yes, let us keep pretending Kevin Smith's character working in his mom's basement is capable providing the same resources to McClane as the CTU provides to Bauer. Cry and gimp more, people, it just proves McClane's superiority.

Whoa.......

Calm down, I know the irrefutable facts I just laid before are overwhelming, but relax, breath and take in each line slowly and one at a time. It's just a MVF Vs thread in the end.

If you like, I can lay out the "help" comparison in pictures.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Support is support. Mac needed it, he got it.

Nah gulf of difference. You should be cautious with that line of thinking. Could arguing that that Computer terminal that McClane located Holly on single handedly was responsible for saving all the hostages and saving the day..

If Al had not been there, Mac and Holly would have been killed. There really is no debating this.

Well yeah he is: And compared to Bauer his is The lone ranger, Zorro, Rambo and the loneliest most isolated guy in the universe compared to Bauer.

Originally posted by Robtard
Calm down, I know the irrefutable facts I just laid before are overwhelming, but relax, breath and take in each line slowly and one at a time. It's just a MVF Vs thread in the end.

If you like, I can lay out the "help" comparison in pictures.

For real.

Yeah man... lay em down. Should make things pretty clear.

If McClane and Bauer both had to cut down a tree, this is the help they'd receive.

McClane's help:

Of which the guy would be an asthmatic and McClane would have to rush off to find an Albuterol inhaler and end up killing six men in outlandish fashions on his way back, then just end up burning the tree down with his Zippo.

Bauer's help:

Which would inevitably lead to Bauer getting himself trapped under the felled tree and Tony would have to come out of the Bobcat and help Bauer out, yet again.

😂 This is scientifically spot on. /\

No, I get it now.

Fair play man. Respect.

Pictures sometimes does the trick.

Originally posted by Robtard
If McClane and Bauer both had to cut down a tree, this is the help they'd receive.

McClane's help:

Of which the guy would be an asthmatic and McClane would have to rush off to find an Albuterol inhaler and end up killing six men in outlandish fashions on his way back, then just end up burning the tree down with his Zippo.

Bauer's help:

Which would inevitably lead to Bauer getting himself trapped under the felled tree and Tony would have to come out of the Bobcat and help Bauer out, yet again.

😆

What a bullshit misleading and nonsensical analogy. McClane needs less resources because he only has to cut down branches, compared to Bauer, who has to uproot entire trees in comparison

Bauer takes on farrrrrrrrrrrrrr more complex and dangerous threats and situations than McClane and thus requires more resources..

Are you saying McClane could withstand the eight 24 days without any of the resources Bauer had? 😂 What crap

Not that it matters anyway, as the amount of resources they used means nothing when Bauer clearly has better irrefutable H2H, (equivalent) gunfight, melee, and counter-terrorism feats than McClane. Nothing you say and no bullshit you spew changes these blatant facts.

Bauer wins this thread. Sure, he may have used more resources, but he has better feats, and that's all that matters. McClane can go jack off in a corner with his "Lone-wolfness" 🙂

With respect; what rubbish you speak sometimes Lesty...

Those pictures are totally perfect for describing the gulf of difference in the help getting stakes, showing Bauer's comparatively namby pamby 'holding-Tony's-hand-as-he-crosses-roads' ass ways.
Who knows if McClane could withstand it maybe he could: But Bauer certainly couldn't.

Your rant above is a clear indicator of the yet more butthurt that this truth has caused you.

Unbiased Casper got it.
Most people get it.
You though?: "Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh my butt McHurrrrrtttts"

You see? Now you made me italicize!!!
Sad. So sad.
doh

McClane wins, Bauer loses and get bummed hideously by his fanboy in a moment where Tony and CTU isn't there to protect him.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer loses and get bummed hideously by his fanboy in a moment where Tony and CTU isn't there to protect him.

Bauer wins because despite needing more resources and needing to be rescued more times than McClane, Bauer has better feats than McClane in H2H, gunfights, melee, and counter-terrorism. Deal

Fine Bauer needs more protection than McClane. So What? As I said, McClane can go jerk himself off in a dark corner with his "lone-wolfness", because it is of no relevance here when he is clearly lacking in feats

No he doesnt as proven numerous amounts of times in this and other threads...you deal.

Jack with some of his babysitters:

McClane with his:

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Yay. You found two pictures of Jack Bauer from 24. What does that have to do with proving that McClane has better H2H feats than Bauer?