Originally posted by Major Valerian
JESUS, I KNOW. By that post I meant that he may also be able to find the weak point in Bane's wrists, unlike other Jedi
Yoda's small stature is just as problematic for Bane as it is for himself, particularly combined with his agility. Likewise, reach wasn't an issue for Yoda when dueling Sidious or Dooku, who is a figure of tremendous height himself. As far as strength is concerned, the Force tends to even the odds; Dooku was able to duel one handed against Anakin Skywalker, whose physical strength in conjunction with his Force powers alarmed Dooku tremendously (even though he's battled General Grievous), despite his tremendous handicap in terms of age and muscle mass. And given Yoda's fighting style, I doubt Bane would be able to apply that superior strength at any form of optimum level, since Yoda tends to move more than most in a fight.
"Yoda's small stature is just as problematic for Bane as it is for himself, particularly combined with his agility."
Yeah but as Zampano proved Bane is just as small a target as Yoda as well, but he gets the signficiant weight, strenght, heught and reach advanatge anyway.
"Likewise, reach wasn't an issue for Yoda when dueling Sidious or Dooku, who is a figure of tremendous height himself."
Yeah but Dooku is one of the weakest Siths there is and Palaptine only gets stronger later when he becomes immortal and can use Force Storm. In movies most of the Jedis and Siths are kind of weak.
"As far as strength is concerned, the Force tends to even the odds; Dooku was able to duel one handed against Anakin Skywalker, whose physical strength in conjunction with his Force powers alarmed Dooku tremendously (even though he's battled General Grievous), despite his tremendous handicap in terms of age and muscle mass."
That is because Dooku is a fencer who understands distancing, timing, footwork, balance and leverage to counter attacks of more powerful swordsman. That is how fencing works. As Yoda is not a fencer but a berserker he doesn;lt have the same advantage. The way you attack a reach advantage is with footwork, timing and distancing. the way you attack strength is with balance and leverage. Yoda dose none of these things, but just uses his speed and acrobatics to overwhelm opponents.
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Yeah but as Zampano proved Bane is just as small a target as Yoda as well, but he gets the signficiant weight, strenght, heught and reach advanatge anyway.
With Yoda, such physical statistics are largely irrelevant.
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Yeah but Dooku is one of the weakest Siths there is and Palaptine only gets stronger later when he becomes immortal and can use Force Storm. In movies most of the Jedis and Siths are kind of weak.
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That is because Dooku is a fencer who understands distancing, timing, footwork, balance and leverage to counter attacks of more powerful swordsman. That is how fencing works. As Yoda is not a fencer but a berserker he doesn;lt have the same advantage. The way you attack a reach advantage is with footwork, timing and distancing. the way you attack strength is with balance and leverage. Yoda dose none of these things, but just uses his speed and acrobatics to overwhelm opponents.
That's where the technical mastery comes into play that Yoda has in abundance. Dooku's abilities come from his chosen lightsaber form, Makashi, of which Yoda is also a master.
Because he has to do that. He is smaller and old, if he does not flip around, he can't hit anything above the belt, and so dies. (Though I think that would take any male out of the fight o.o)
But the strength advantage is near useless, as Yoda fights with leaping attacks at all times. He seriously can't apply as much physical force as he normall does, because he is aiming for the air.
Ahem "Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? Hmm?"
Seriously, all the physical advantages don't matter when it comes to Yoda. This is a guy who has spent 800 years fighting people taller than him, of all heights, builds, and races. He has the advantage here, due to that. Bane has never fought anything like Yoda. Which DOES make a difference, even to him. Yoda is up to his knees, tops (2 meters I believe comes out at 6 foot 10, while Yoda is supposedly 2 feet tall, correct?) meaning that Bane will have a disadvantage when it comes to close quarters. Think short spear vs sword. That spear is all well and good, and if you can keep the, at a distance, then you win. But if they get past the spear head, then you will die. Same with this, because Yoda will be pretty close.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
With Yoda, such physical statistics are largely irrelevant.
“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
^I've always loved that idea.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
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To be fair, compared to the EU the characters as they appear in the movies are horribly underpowered.
GL explained this, that's why in the CW cartoons they are overpowered. GL's ideal Jedi would be as powerful as they were portrayed in the cartoons. It is only obvious that in the movie they would seem underpowered because they are actors and you are watching a movie, not the reality of what a Jedi would really be like. How can you expect to enjoy a movie where a Jedi moves "faster than the eye can see"?
"That's where the technical mastery comes into play that Yoda has in abundance. Dooku's abilities come from his chosen lightsaber form, Makashi, of which Yoda is also a master."
But does it matter if he knows it but doesn't uses it? yoda may know how to fence but when he fights he prefers to berserk his way through his enemies, using his speed. That will not work on somebody who possesses as big a weight, strenght, reach, height advantage that bane does (which is much better than dookus or disious), and who's target is located at his height. Without footwork, timing, and distamcing (as his berserker style does not sue them), Yoda will have to find a way to get within both horizotal and virticle reange of Bane's head, have to find out how to dodge his attacks as he doens;t have the strenght to meet them or the fencing to parry them.
Originally posted by NephthysSame quote I used nono
“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
Anyways, read this again dude. This explains why it doesn't matter how Yoda fights. He is Yoda, physical abilities do not matter.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sadow was wearing his amulet when he threw that brick iirc.
Such power. He missed his calling in life if Sith carpentry were a lucrative business in the empire.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But its ridiculous to suggest that he's weak without the amulet enhancing his abilities. We don't see those Sith use the force without them, so its speculation how much they were amped or how much weaker they would actually be without them.
No one said they're weak. But some people [rightly] elect to be skeptical, since the opposite "that they're all powerful regardless!!! mwahahaha!!!" is even more stupid.