I disagree. Both use forms that don;t really use technique but phisical abilities, and as well as Yoda's speed and acrobatics suit ataru bane's speed and incedible strength make his djem so as arguably as good as yoda's ataru. And I think Bane is more powerful in the force as well than any movie jedis or siths.
Originally posted by Major Valerian
Yoda is a master of most lightsaber forms. His size, agility, speed, Force mastery, lightsaber skills and intelligence all are important factors in this fight, and in this case, they all work in favor of him. While Darth Ray has a point by saying Yoda can only attack a very limited area of Bane's body to cause any significant damage, there is nothing to suggest Yoda wouldn't be able to do so. He's superior to Bane in every single category in terms of Force usage and lightsaber combat.
I strongly disagree. Yoda is too limited in terms of what he can do because of the Orbalisks. Normally in a lightsaber fight the way to win is to either power through your opponents guard or use your skill to get around it. Yoda can't do either. Aside from an extremely small area at the wrists, Yoda will be forced to go after the same area again and again and unlike Raskta who could keep constant pressure on Bane's head, Yoda will need to take the time to jump up and attack for each strike. This will be incredibly easy to predict and counter for Bane, both because of the time needed to jump and because Yoda will need to keep going for the same target every time, and will leave Yoda extremely vulnerable and open to a counter attack while in mid-air.
When you factor in Bane's extreme strength, speed and skill on top of this ( I consider Bane just as quick and skillful as Yoda), Bane will win in a lightsaber fight handily imo.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I strongly disagree. Yoda is too limited in terms of what he can do because of the Orbalisks. Normally in a lightsaber fight the way to win is to either power through your opponents guard or use your skill to get around it. Yoda can't do either. Aside from an extremely small area at the wrists, Yoda will be forced to go after the same area again and again and unlike Raskta who could keep constant pressure on Bane's head, Yoda will need to take the time to jump up and attack for each strike. This will be incredibly easy to predict and counter for Bane, both because of the time needed to jump and because Yoda will need to keep going for the same target every time, and will leave Yoda extremely vulnerable and open to a counter attack while in mid-air.When you factor in Bane's extreme strength, speed and skill on top of this ( I consider Bane just as quick and skillful as Yoda), Bane will win in a lightsaber fight handily imo.
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Originally posted by Major Valerian
Exactly, you're talking about a lightsaber duel. I'm referring to the all-out, in which Yoda can and will use the Force to his advantage. In a lightsaber duel only, Bane probably would win.
How can Yoda beat Bane in a Force fight? You might not have noticed but Yoda doesn't attack people with the Force. And a doubt he can whip Bane like he did Ventress.
It will take more than redirecting Bane's lightning to defeat him in this fight. That only worked in the book because it was too close and quick for him to block with his lightsaber. Other than that all Yoda has is telekinesis, which also won't work because Bane arguably outstrips him in that regard and is too well protected to be affected by thrown objects or being pushed around.
So if Yoda isn't going to beat Bane using the Force and he can't beat him using his lightsaber how exactly do you think he'll beat him?
It's not only lightning Yoda can counter. Anything Bane throws at him, Yoda most likely knows how to counter. With his hundreds of years of training with the Force, I can assure you there is nothing Bane can do against him, forcewise. And it's not only a Force battle, it's all-out. With a combination of incredible lightsaber skill and Force mastery pretty much on par with ROTS Sidious, you can't possibly tell me there is not one thing Yoda can and will do against Bane in an all-out fight.
I can and I am. Yoda can't block everything Bane throws at him forever. And Yoda is much, much more prone to being worn down than Bane is. Not just in terms of age and fragility, but because Bane has the Orbalisks to sustain him. And to protect him from whatever Yoda throws back at him, saber or Force.
Eventually, Yoda will stumble and Bane will win. Theres nothing Yoda can do to Bane except lose imo.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It will take more than redirecting Bane's lightning to defeat him in this fight. That only worked in the book because it was too close and quick for him to block with his lightsaber. Other than that all Yoda has is telekinesis, which also won't work because Bane arguably outstrips him in that regard and is too well protected to be affected by thrown objects or being pushed around.So if Yoda isn't going to beat Bane using the Force and he can't beat him using his lightsaber how exactly do you think he'll beat him?
See, I never really saw Bane as fast as Yoda. Yoda ahs the advantage of the unusual angles and such that he strikes from. While yes, he has to aim for the same area pretty much the entire time, Bane is utterly reckless.
And again, he can't hit thing that are in the air as hard as he can hit things that are on the ground. Thats just how things roll.
Ray, Yoda doesn't use basic Ataru. Qui-Gon did. Yoda had to adapt the style ment for larger people to himself, but he would have had to do that no matter what he picked, Ataru just suited his size the best.
Bane has the problem of hitting a small object moving in erratic patterns in mid air while defending himself. It will not be easy by any stretch for him to win. That, combined with his arrogance that this puny green troll couldn't kill him, the Dark Lord of the Sith, encased in impervious armor that boosts his abilities, would bring his downfall. I mean, Yoda moves pretty fast.
And as for the thing with TK, do you think that in 800 years, Yoda has never figured out how to do a Force Push?
Originally posted by Major Valerian
It's not only lightning Yoda can counter. Anything Bane throws at him, Yoda most likely knows how to counter. With his hundreds of years of training with the Force, I can assure you there is nothing Bane can do against him, forcewise. And it's not only a Force battle, it's all-out. With a combination of incredible lightsaber skill and Force mastery pretty much on par with ROTS Sidious, you can't possibly tell me there is not one thing Yoda can and will do against Bane in an all-out fight.
Originally posted by Pwned
Bane has the problem of hitting a small object moving in erratic patterns in mid air while defending himself. It will not be easy by any stretch for him to win. That, combined with his arrogance that this puny green troll couldn't kill him, the Dark Lord of the Sith, encased in impervious armor that boosts his abilities, would bring his downfall. I mean, Yoda moves pretty fast.
Exactly. Yoda does not and will not jump and move speedily in the same direction over and over again. He always changes his jumping and movement patterns; Bane wouldn't be able to predict from which angle would he strike next. Besides that, as Pwned pointed out, he's fast. Bane's not nearly as fast as Yoda and he will have a very hard time launching accurate strikes against Yoda in mid-air, not to mention he will have to be looking around up and down, left and right all the time, making it hard for him to protect his neck against Yoda's slashes. Add that to the fact that Yoda is superior in terms of Force mastery, and it does give him a chance against him.
And you have to consider that Yoda TRAINED Dooku. For more Master-Padawan shenanigans, look at Obi-Wan vs Anakin. They can anticipate the others moves way before they make them. They know how the other fights. Gratned Yoda has had hundreds of apprentices, Dooku was his most recent (not counting Kenobi, he wasn't a full apprentice) and probably his favorite.
Originally posted by Pwned
See, I never really saw Bane as fast as Yoda. Yoda ahs the advantage of the unusual angles and such that he strikes from. While yes, he has to aim for the same area pretty much the entire time, Bane is utterly reckless.
There have been debates that established that Bane is about on par with Sidious. Just as Sidious speedblitzed Kit Fisto and Friends, Bane almost speedblitzed tha Jedi who attacked him in RoT, and was described as only failing due to the Battle Meditation. Bane has some great feats such as moving too fast for other Sith to see, being described as 'so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time' and his rain feat. Bane is pretty damn fast.
Originally posted by Pwned
And again, he can't hit thing that are in the air as hard as he can hit things that are on the ground. Thats just how things roll.
Yes he can. All that changes is that if Bane hits Yoda while Yoda's in midair and Yoda blocks him, Yoda will go flying like a baseball.
Originally posted by Pwned
Bane has the problem of hitting a small object moving in erratic patterns in mid air while defending himself.
Yoda can't fly. 😐
He won't be moving in erratic patterns, he'll be jumping at Bane's head. It'll be easy to block, much easier than Bane had to deal with here:
'She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.
Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought.'
Yoda won't be everywhere at once. He can't run around Bane attacking wildly. He needs to jump, attack, land and then jump again. And he can't use his speed in midair. He's reliant on gravity to get him to the ground. He's a sitting duck (pun intended).
Originally posted by Pwned
It will not be easy by any stretch for him to win. That, combined with his arrogance that this puny green troll couldn't kill him, the Dark Lord of the Sith, encased in impervious armor that boosts his abilities, would bring his downfall. I mean, Yoda moves pretty fast.
You can't fall fast. In midair his speed is worthless.
Originally posted by Pwned
And as for the thing with TK, do you think that in 800 years, Yoda has never figured out how to do a Force Push?
You think Bane will notice a Force Push? Not even counting the fact that Bane's own Force Pushes can liquidise bones and collapse entire temples.
Oh no, I ment the Force Push for redirecting himself in mid air. I saw that he switched directions while fighting a couple times fighting Dooku. Maybe it was just my eyes, but I saw him do it.
Remember, the rain feat and some of his best speed feats come AFTER the orbalisks.
Yoda jumps pretty fast, and he falls to the ground pretty fast to. The Force makes him faster.
No, because hitting thigns in the air provides less resistance than the ground. You don't hit as hard when hitting things in the air.
Raskta used Jar'Kai. Yoda uses a modified Ataru. And has experience leaking out of his ears.
Why would Yoda block any attacks from anyone??? He is to small to do so. For the msot part, I see him parry unless he can actually HOLD the block (like fighting Sidious in the Senate chamber)
Woah woah woah, I missed the ones with that speed establishment. If you can give me a link, then I'll read it. If thats the case I can see Bane winning. Because as it is, its Yoda's speed and maneuverability that gives him the win. Bane isn't fast enough to block the multiple strikes from strange angles (which matter more than you would think) that are ALL aimed at his vulnerable zone. He would know one mistake and he dies.
Originally posted by Major Valerian
Exactly. Yoda does not and will not jump and move speedily in the same direction over and over again. He always changes his jumping and movement patterns; Bane wouldn't be able to predict from which angle would he strike next. Besides that, as Pwned pointed out, he's fast. Bane's not nearly as fast as Yoda and he will have a very hard time launching accurate strikes against Yoda in mid-air, not to mention he will have to be looking around up and down, left and right all the time, making it hard for him to protect his neck against Yoda's slashes. Add that to the fact that Yoda is superior in terms of Force mastery, and it does give him a chance against him.
Yoda is not superior in Force mastery. First of all you don't need 800 years to become master in TK and other offensive techniques, it can be achieved within few years. Second, Sith are more superior in Force mastery and variety as they don't restrain themselves during studies and learn to use Force in a way that Jedi would never dare.
Finally, Yoda couldn't penetrate defenses of Dooku and Palpatine. And while Bane is arguebly on level with them in combat, he gets way too big advantage from Obralisk.
Unfortunately, in this case size does matter. If Yoda was of normal size, he could at least try to execute grabbing techniques like Anakin did to Dooku.
Woah woah woah, I missed the ones with that speed establishment. If you can give me a link, then I'll read it. If thats the case I can see Bane winning. Because as it is, its Yoda's speed and maneuverability that gives him the win. Bane isn't fast enough to block the multiple strikes from strange angles (which matter more than you would think) that are ALL aimed at his vulnerable zone. He would know one mistake and he dies.His superior speed means that due to smaller weight he can move faster, however, it doesn't prove that his reaction is any faster, than Bane's. He is as vulnerable to mistakes and wrong moves as Bane. Also, considering small impact of Yoda's attacks, it is not such a big deal to block them. Jedi/Sith are known to block multiple blaster shots from different directions.
Oh no, Jedi can achieve Force mastery, and are arguably far stronger than the Sith. It just takes them a lifetime (Human lifetime, it seems) while Yoda is not only very powerful in the Force, he has had WAY longer than anything else in the Galaxy (probably) to perfect his Force usage (I am talking about things that can actually die of age, not stupid ageless crap) I would honestly say he is stronger than Bane in the Force, more attuned, and has a better mastery over it.