ROTS Yoda vs. Darth Bane

Originally posted by Pwned
Because he has to do that. He is smaller and old, if he does not flip around, he can't hit anything above the belt, and so dies. (Though I think that would take any male out of the fight o.o)

But the strength advantage is near useless, as Yoda fights with leaping attacks at all times. He seriously can't apply as much physical force as he normall does, because he is aiming for the air.

Ahem "Size matters not. Look at me, judge me by my size do you? Hmm?"
Seriously, all the physical advantages don't matter when it comes to Yoda. This is a guy who has spent 800 years fighting people taller than him, of all heights, builds, and races. He has the advantage here, due to that. Bane has never fought anything like Yoda. Which DOES make a difference, even to him. Yoda is up to his knees, tops (2 meters I believe comes out at 6 foot 10, while Yoda is supposedly 2 feet tall, correct?) meaning that Bane will have a disadvantage when it comes to close quarters. Think short spear vs sword. That spear is all well and good, and if you can keep the, at a distance, then you win. But if they get past the spear head, then you will die. Same with this, because Yoda will be pretty close.

Actually Bane is the same sort of target that yoda is, just located much higher, so they are both unfamilairs with how the othe rperson ios. height isn;t usualy as biug a deal because the lightsaber can kill anything and yoda cna at least attack the feet and legs easily enough. But with bane he can only attack the head, so height becomes much bigger factor. And as I said, Yoda's berserker style isn;t designed to counter weight/strength or reach/height very well at all. It relies on overwhelming speed, but bane is a lot more powerful than the other guys yoda has faced and his armour makes him very tricky to hurt.

Originally posted by Major Valerian
Either way, what does that have to do with anything? It's not about how they apear, it's about how powerful they are stated to be.

I'm just saying that its easy to be mistaken on this issue if you take the movies at face value. When I first joined up I firmly belived that Allema Keto would eat Yoda for breakfast.

Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Such power. He missed his calling in life if Sith carpentry were a lucrative business in the empire.

Its better than Sidious' job as a beach umbrella. His mighty Shadow powers have prevented many a sunburn!

Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
No one said they're weak. But some people [rightly] elect to be skeptical, since the opposite "that they're all powerful regardless!!! mwahahaha!!!" is even more stupid.

It would be wiser to not speculate at all imo and just take the character as is shown, amulet included.

Originally posted by Pwned
Same quote I used nono
Did you look it up to get the whole thing?

Anyways, read this again dude. This explains why it doesn't matter how Yoda fights. He is Yoda, physical abilities do not matter.

Only because he is usually much quicker and doesn;t need to close in on virtical range. Bane is also fast and powerful, has massive strenght, reach, height and weight advanatge, and can only be hurt at his head. Plus he can attacl with hius body as well. Yoda has to do all of the wollowing: dodge bane's attacks as meeting them head on will result in his death, jump 8 feet into the air, get withion horizontal range against the guy with greater reach, and somehow land a udnefended hit on bane's head. It probably own;t come down to a force battrle as yoda culnt even defeat count dooku in their battle and bane is a lt more powerful.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Actually Bane is the same sort of target that yoda is, just located much higher, so they are both unfamilairs with how the othe rperson ios. height isn;t usualy as biug a deal because the lightsaber can kill anything and yoda cna at least attack the feet and legs easily enough. But with bane he can only attack the head, so height becomes much bigger factor. And as I said, Yoda's berserker style isn;t designed to counter weight/strength or reach/height very well at all. It relies on overwhelming speed, but bane is a lot more powerful than the other guys yoda has faced and his armour makes him very tricky to hurt.

It does NOT matter what his style is. Bane is not suited to counter Yoda's physical characteristics, while Bane's will only work agaisnt him due to Yoda having spent 800 years fighting people bigger than him. And Yoda can jump pretty damn high, so Banes height will not be as much of a factor as you want to say.

And you are incorrect. Sidious is MUCH more powerful than Bane, the fight in the office proves it, when he kills the some of the BEST swordsmen the Jedi had to offer in seconds, while Bane nearly died fighting 2 masters and a Knight.

Orbalisks only limit Yoda to the head and wrists, and where would be wanting to strike anyways. Bane has a pretty big head.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its better than Sidious' job as a beach umbrella. His mighty Shadow powers have prevented many a sunburn!

What?

Originally posted by Nephthys
It would be wiser to not speculate at all imo and just take the character as is shown, amulet included.

Me
What?

They are taken that way. But it stands to reason that use of such talismans either greatly eased powers they would otherwise struggle with or provided powers they otherwise lacked.

It is fallacious to assert that Naga Sadow is more powerful than Luke Skywalker because he initiated a supernova with the aid of his Force-boosting ship when he is otherwise hurling a brick. Not plural, just one.

Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
In the EU, most of the characters with any noteworthy feats have the aid of some Force enhancing artifact or another (Naga Sadow, I'm looking at you). Without them, as Blax demonstrated, they're reduced to brick hurling. I'll take chucking Senate pods over that.

Yeah, he couldn't beat Dooku, who was so sure of victory that he ran away every time they fought.

Yoda can do that. 8 feet to jump is nothing, and where are you getting that number? Thats 1 foot 2 inches above Bane's head.

Strength, height, and weight do not matter. He is Yoda. He does not force a physical contest. He redirects.

Bane can attack with his body by attempting a body slam, which Yoda can move away from. Then stabbing.

Yoda dodges just about every attack anyways, unless it is a precise thing like Makashi. Bane fights with Djem So, strong attacks that require large swings. He uses a curved saber hilt just so his overhand will be stronger.

I honestly think your trolling. You don't seem to know much about Yoda, or you are a Bane fanboy. (which I used to be)

Originally posted by Pwned
Please re-read my post, then watch Yoda in a fight. He will be less than a foot from Bane's head, especially since it is the most obvious unarmored spot.

Read my latest post please.

It does NOT matter what his style is. Bane is not suited to counter Yoda's physical characteristics, while Bane's will only work agaisnt him due to Yoda having spent 800 years fighting people bigger than him.

Again re-read what i was saying yoda's opponents size usually isn;t as big a deal because yoda does not need ot close in on virticle range, this time he does as bane's entire body is protect.

And Yoda can jump pretty damn high, so Banes height will not be as much of a factor as you want to say.

And yet he can not fly so while he is jumpoing he will be unablke to change his direction and so lose all of his elusiveness that he has on the ground making it very easy for bane to put him down with ease.

And you are incorrect. Sidious is MUCH more powerful than Bane, the fight in the office proves it, when he kills the some of the BEST swordsmen the Jedi had to offer in seconds, while Bane nearly died fighting 2 masters and a Knight.

Wrong the jedis in the movie sucked and offered no resistance, bane walks through much more powerful jedis and even attacked some when they were udner battle meditation and was beating them. And since when did sidious do anything like when bane destroyed rthe rakatan temple on the unknown planet?

[/quote]Orbalisks only limit Yoda to the head and wrists, and where would be wanting to strike anyways. Bane has a pretty big head. [/QUOTE]

Sure, real smart, attack target that is at great virtical distance. I can see youre not a trained martial artist. YThat much is clear. It really is.

Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
What?

Sorry, I forgot that you're new. 😉

In the RotS novel Sidious is constantly referred to as 'the Shadow'. I made a joke about that.

Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
They are taken that way. But it stands to reason that use of such talismans either greatly eased powers they would otherwise struggle with or provided powers they otherwise lacked.

It is fallacious to assert that Naga Sadow is more powerful than Luke Skywalker because he initiated a supernova with the aid of his Force-boosting ship when he is otherwise hurling a brick. Not plural, just one.

Why? I don't think the extent of their enhancements on Sadow are ever made apparant.

As I said, Sadow was wearing his amulet when he hurled the brick anyway, so you can't use that as a comparison for how he is without the amulet. Furthermore, he did so during a duel while engaged at swordpoint. Its only reasonable that he wasn't able to perform outstanding telekinetic feats in that position. And to say that one low feat makes him weak is fallacious also. A ridiculous attempt at low-balling.

Plus iirc after that fight either he or his opponent blast apart a 200 ton statue.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Read my latest post please.

Again re-read what i was saying yoda's opponents size usually isn;t as big a deal because yoda does not need ot close in on virticle range, this time he does as bane's entire body is protect.

And yet he can not fly so while he is jumpoing he will be unablke to change his direction and so lose all of his elusiveness that he has on the ground making it very easy for bane to put him down with ease.

Wrong the jedis in the movie sucked and offered no resistance, bane walks through much more powerful jedis and even attacked some when they were udner battle meditation and was beating them. And since when did sidious do anything like when bane destroyed rthe rakatan temple on the unknown planet?

Sure, real smart, attack target that is at great virtical distance. I can see youre not a trained martial artist. YThat much is clear. It really is. [/B][/QUOTE] I did read your post. Twice. And please include proper grammar and spelling, that makes it easier to understand.

He HAS altered his jumping direction mid jump though... Watch AOTC fight against Dooku. He does it several times.

He still does close vertical range though, and fights attacking the upper body and head, due to the number of vital areas.

Yeah. He has. Quite often.

And no, they were not chumps. They were some of the best swordsmen in the order. Each of them had some insane lightsaber feats. He took them down in seconds.

Bane did not take down "much more powerful jedis, even while some were under battle meditation" he took down 2 masters and a Knight, who were under the effects of an unmastered battle meditation. They only survived as long because of it, sure, but you say Yoda fights like a berserker. Bane is a berserker with that armor. He runs right into the fight and chops. He uses his 'roids to win. However, they always tried a straight up fight, not one like Yoda puts up.

And actually, I am a martial artist. Thing is, I work in grapples, so I don't care about vertical advantages, because that always works against me, due to being 6'5 and still growing.

How Yoda can win this:

He has to do all of the following - avoid all of bane's attack, get within horizontal range of his opponent with much greater reach, jump 8 feet into air and lose all movement and elusiveness in the process, and somehow rely on bane to not protect his ehad with his own lightsaber or head movement or moving back or using his arms to shield himself. He has to do all of that.

Bane - does nto have to worry about horizontal reach. Needs to close down on yoda but still gets to keep his mobility in the process. Only needs to land one hit as yoda does not have the technique to parry nor the strength to meet the attack. He can also kick him relentlessly. Plus Bane as a darksider cna use offensive attacks like lightning and force crush, and will find it a lot easier to use them in combat as he is so well protected physically and will have a lot more time and space to do it.

You didn't address a single one of my points there.

Bane does not fight like that with the orbalisks. He rushes in and swings. There is hardly even any technique to it, he just batters aside their defenses and kills them.

Read my post. Come up with ways to get around what Yoda will be doing. Tell me where you get 8 feet. Tell me why Yoda can't get near him. Or you have already lost.

Originally posted by Pwned
Orbalisks only limit Yoda to the head and wrists, and where would be wanting to strike anyways. Bane has a pretty big head.

Sure, real smart, attack target that is at great virtical distance. I can see youre not a trained martial artist. YThat much is clear. It really is. [/B][/QUOTE] I did read your post. Twice. And please include proper grammar and spelling, that makes it easier to understand.

He HAS altered his jumping direction mid jump though... Watch AOTC fight against Dooku. He does it several times.

He still does close vertical range though, and fights attacking the upper body and head, due to the number of vital areas.

Yeah. He has. Quite often.[/quote]

But in this fight that is his only option. Against Dooku he can attack the entire body and Dooku has to protect all areas which makes it easier to switch up where he attacks. against bane he can only attack high, so bane does nto have to worry about his lower body, and can change his style into one that towers over yoda and uses his height and reach. And he can onyl alter his direction in jump by landing a hit with his lightsaber and using it to adjust his movement, he can;t adjust it without any resistance.

And no, they were not chumps. They were some of the best swordsmen in the order. Each of them had some insane lightsaber feats. He took them down in seconds.

Bane did not take down "much more powerful jedis, even while some were under battle meditation" he took down 2 masters and a Knight, who were under the effects of an unmastered battle meditation. They only survived as long because of it, sure, but you say Yoda fights like a berserker. Bane is a berserker with that armor. He runs right into the fight and chops. He uses his 'roids to win. However, they always tried a straight up fight, not one like Yoda puts up.

Worror's BM was not unmastered and is only thing that saved most of them in the fight for as long as they stayed in it, and Farfalla and Raskta Lu were probably two of the most powerful Jedi of the war. Yes Bane is also berserker and he has tools that make it work for him - his armour, the weight, strenghr, height and reach, good speed and agility as well and his form suits it. Yoda is a berserker and usually it works for him but this time he has to deal with massive virtical height issues and he is up against someone a lot better than anyone he ever faced.

BTW I do read the books and comics as ell and none of them ever did anything that impressive. Kit Fisto got his ass kicked by Durge and had to tap into the darkside to defeat a weakenned grievous, and agen kolar got his ass kicked by quinlan vos who was just a padwan at the time.

And actually, I am a martial artist. Thing is, I work in grapples, so I don't care about vertical advantages, because that always works against me, due to being 6'5 and still growing.

Nice. if your height extends to length of your limbs you'll fid they should give you good advantage with your submissions.

I'm a part time Jiu-Jitsu trainer btw and I work at the Gracie Academy.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
But in this fight that is his only option. Against Dooku he can attack the entire body and Dooku has to protect all areas which makes it easier to switch up where he attacks. against bane he can only attack high, so bane does nto have to worry about his lower body, and can change his style into one that towers over yoda and uses his height and reach. And he can onyl alter his direction in jump by landing a hit with his lightsaber and using it to adjust his movement, he can;t adjust it without any resistance

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To even stand a chance at hitting Bane Yoda has to jump. Theres no way that isn't a massive disadvantage in a saber duel.

Originally posted by Pwned
You didn't address a single one of my points there.

Bane does not fight like that with the orbalisks. He rushes in and swings. There is hardly even any technique to it, he just batters aside their defenses and kills them.

Read my post. Come up with ways to get around what Yoda will be doing. Tell me where you get 8 feet. Tell me why Yoda can't get near him. Or you have already lost.

As I already said, you don;t ened technique when you possess overwhelmign athleticism. I never said Bane wasn't a berserker either, htye are both berserkersa. In this clash of berserkers bane just comes up on top.

8 feet, 7 feet, wahetevr.

Yoda can possibly get near him, but it is obviously a lot harder, when bane can stay outside of yoda's ange, and yoda will still be in his range. That is how reach works. Juts look at the UFC and Jon Jones currently. Only person who has been able to deal with his reach is Lyoto Maxhida because of his karate and distancing, footwork, angls and timing. That is how you deal with reach. That is not how yoda fights. People like Shogun, rashad and Ramoage have been unable to deal with it because they lack those tools, just like Yoda.

Oh yeah, the fact my arms are longer than everybody elses means I get to grab them first 😛

Anyways, if Bane does not do defense. He attacks. Seriously, last time I read that fight, his attacks were what were stopping the lightsabers aiming at his face. And all Yoda has to do is hit that wrist once, then Bane is screwed. Even with the healing, it took a second. At this level, that means he is dead.

Yoda can defend against his Force attacks. Grand Master means he can do at least general defense, otherwise he wouldn't be the most powerful Jedi of the time. And he has shown the ability to catch lightning without a lightsaber.

Nudges with the Force alter his path in the air. Subtle TK. I wasn't even thinking of making contact to redirect it.

Your saying they got their asses kicked by
A)An immortal Jedi Hunting bounty hunter?
B)A cyborg designed specifically to kill Jedi, with the ability to use 4 lightsabers simultaneously?
C)Quinlan Vos? That guy is just a badass.

Bane does not know a style that would allow him to keep Yoda away. Djem So is not sufficient, because all his force would be redirected. Soresu may work, but Yoda has a more advanced version of it mastered. Makashi would as well, but I do not think Bane knows it. I don't even think it had been developed.

Ataru is not great for redirecting attacks. It's better for overwhelming the opponent with a flurry of attacks and keeping them on the defensive, and obviouslyty against bane this ont be very affectove considering the orbalisks. When on the defencove ataru meets attacks head on, which is really nto a veryy good idea witth someoen so much stronger than you as bane is. A good solit hit will most likely drive yoda's lightsaber right into his body. Yoda will have to use his elusiveness to avoid bane's attacks with his speed and agility and movemeent/acrobatics which automatically puts him on defencive.

To put simply, Yoda's speed advanatge would have to be so much more significant thna it is to overcome Banes numerous overpowering advanateghs he possesses, especially considering Yoda does not sue a veyr technical style. He's fats but he's not that fast.

Dooku is actually a much better matchup than Yoda in a lightsaber battle againts baen. he would use his distancing, timing, footwork and angles to operate against Bane's reach and height, and balance and leverage to work with bane's strength advantage. But Bane is sitll probably too physically powerful for him, just like Anakin was when he tapped into his potential, plsu Bane could probably end the fight with the force any time he wants.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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To even stand a chance at hitting Bane Yoda [b]has to jump. Theres no way that isn't a massive disadvantage in a saber duel. [/B]

Yep pretty much. As Yoda does not use a veyr techical style the only advantage I would give him in this in his speed and agility, but in this case they wouldn't be enough.

POD Bane much better matchup. Probably still a better fighter than anybody Yoda ever faced but without the orbalisks Yoda would probably be able to keep him on the defencive and overwhelm him with attacks.

Originally posted by Pwned
Nudges with the Force alter his path in the air. Subtle TK. I wasn't even thinking of making contact to redirect it.

Im pretty sure Jedis dont know how to use tk in this way.

Yoda is a master of most lightsaber forms. His size, agility, speed, Force mastery, lightsaber skills and intelligence all are important factors in this fight, and in this case, they all work in favor of him. While Darth Ray has a point by saying Yoda can only attack a very limited area of Bane's body to cause any significant damage, there is nothing to suggest Yoda wouldn't be able to do so. He's superior to Bane in every single category in terms of Force usage and lightsaber combat.