They are very close in terms of willpower. But since there can only be one, I'd vote for Doom since he operates with much much higher handicap than Thanos (in terms in mortality and physiology). Most of their feats seems pretty comparable however that feat of returning as an apprentice of Marquis of Death after being fed to a prehistoric dinosaur is just such a ridiculous feat for a human with no powers.
I doubt anyone could plot that much years without going insane lol
Originally posted by abhilegendYou couldn't argue a case.
Still doom.
Originally posted by vince_sliceI need more fingers.
If Quanchi said that the earth was round, you guys would disagree and claim the earths flat just out of pure spite for him. He has you guys wrapped around his finger. 😂
Originally posted by biensalsaThat's not canon. Doom has been beaten by far less than Sg. He's also been beaten by Sg.
Not really Quancake, but your reading comprehensions skills do not allow you to understand that I just couldn't control myself, is just funny. but I know is an AVERAGE showing for Squirrel Girl 😈
I think that the biggest obstacle here, is deciding upon the nature of "Willpower".
And, it isn't just about Doom and Thanos.
There seem to be 2 camps:
1. Camp 1/Thanos- Seems to see "Willpower" as a combination of a Lack of Frailty, along with Achieving Goals while possessing great Durability, Godlike Intellect and Power.
Remaining In-Tact + Remaining Powerful + Triumphing Against Great Odds
2. Camp 2/Doom- Sees Doom at his core. A frail, weak "Human". So much lower and weaker than the God that Thanos is.
But, a Human who has shown that even when everything has been stripped from his person, even when turned into a quivering pile of flayed flesh, through Willpower, alone, he was able to conquer a God.
And, this is just one feat.
There is also the fact that his purely unenhanced human mind can withstand the power of the Purple Man through willpower alone.
Then, there is the fact that Doom travelled to Hell, again and again, to be crushed by the devil (Mephisto) and his minions, every year, to save his mother's soul. He made a decision to go to Hell, over and over.
So, in this case, the question might be-
Who shows greater Willpower?
The God that Triumphs, with a full arsenal of powers, attributes and information that may even make the Abstracts jealous?
or
The human being that has become a universal conqueror again and again, (and more, if you count his other incarnations), with nothing but Willpower, while he constantly overcomes his human fragility and lack of power.
In all honesty, for all we know, Thanos may have equal or greater willpower than Doom. But, until Thanos has been shown to be stripped of EVERYTHING but his forward momentum, we can't know.
Because every time he wins or survives, he still has that arsenal.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I think that the biggest obstacle here, is deciding upon the nature of "Willpower".
And, it isn't just about Doom and Thanos.There seem to be 2 camps:
1. Camp 1/Thanos- Seems to see "Willpower" as a combination of a Lack of Frailty, along with Achieving Goals while possessing great Durability, Godlike Intellect and Power.
Remaining In-Tact + Remaining Powerful + Triumphing Against Great Odds2. Camp 2/Doom- Sees Doom at his core. A frail, weak "Human". So much lower and weaker than the God that Thanos is.
But, a Human who has shown that even when everything has been stripped from his person, even when turned into a quivering pile of flayed flesh, through Willpower, alone, he was able to conquer a God.And, this is just one feat.
There is also the fact that his purely unenhanced human mind can withstand the power of the Purple Man through willpower alone.
Then, there is the fact that Doom travelled to Hell, again and again, to be crushed by the devil (Mephisto) and his minions, every year, to save his mother's soul. He made a decision to go to Hell, over and over.
So, in this case, the question might be-
Who shows greater Willpower?
The God that Triumphs, with a full arsenal of powers, attributes and information that may even make the Abstracts jealous?
or
The human being that has become a universal conqueror again and again, (and more, if you count his other incarnations), with nothing but Willpower, while he constantly overcomes his human fragility and lack of power.
In all honesty, for all we know, Thanos may have equal or greater willpower than Doom. But, until Thanos has been shown to be stripped of EVERYTHING but his forward momentum, we can't know.
Because every time he wins or survives, he still has that arsenal.
Well said my friend . Well said indeed .
Originally posted by Horrificus
I think that the biggest obstacle here, is deciding upon the nature of "Willpower".
And, it isn't just about Doom and Thanos.There seem to be 2 camps:
1. Camp 1/Thanos- Seems to see "Willpower" as a combination of a Lack of Frailty, along with Achieving Goals while possessing great Durability, Godlike Intellect and Power.
Remaining In-Tact + Remaining Powerful + Triumphing Against Great Odds2. Camp 2/Doom- Sees Doom at his core. A frail, weak "Human". So much lower and weaker than the God that Thanos is.
But, a Human who has shown that even when everything has been stripped from his person, even when turned into a quivering pile of flayed flesh, through Willpower, alone, he was able to conquer a God.And, this is just one feat.
There is also the fact that his purely unenhanced human mind can withstand the power of the Purple Man through willpower alone.
Then, there is the fact that Doom travelled to Hell, again and again, to be crushed by the devil (Mephisto) and his minions, every year, to save his mother's soul. He made a decision to go to Hell, over and over.
So, in this case, the question might be-
Who shows greater Willpower?
The God that Triumphs, with a full arsenal of powers, attributes and information that may even make the Abstracts jealous?
or
The human being that has become a universal conqueror again and again, (and more, if you count his other incarnations), with nothing but Willpower, while he constantly overcomes his human fragility and lack of power.
In all honesty, for all we know, Thanos may have equal or greater willpower than Doom. But, until Thanos has been shown to be stripped of EVERYTHING but his forward momentum, we can't know.
Because every time he wins or survives, he still has that arsenal.
Great post.
Doom 10/10.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His body wasn't up to the task. That was his theory while he only had a few moments to react to the situation. He only did so through willpower.Mastering omnipotent power through will alone is as good as it gets. His body wasn't up to the task. Since I know you don't read comics I will again post the scan. Seriously, learn something.
Again, his body not being up to the task doesn't mean he was being actively driven crazy by an external power, as long as his mind is untampered he just needed to block pain and exert his will. I'm not saying it's not a great feat of will, I'm saying that it's not the top.
Thanos also had the energy absorbing abilities and the HotU close, it's not as if he resisted reality warping through will alone.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I think that the biggest obstacle here, is deciding upon the nature of "Willpower".
And, it isn't just about Doom and Thanos.There seem to be 2 camps:
1. Camp 1/Thanos- Seems to see "Willpower" as a combination of a Lack of Frailty, along with Achieving Goals while possessing great Durability, Godlike Intellect and Power.
Remaining In-Tact + Remaining Powerful + Triumphing Against Great Odds2. Camp 2/Doom- Sees Doom at his core. A frail, weak "Human". So much lower and weaker than the God that Thanos is.
But, a Human who has shown that even when everything has been stripped from his person, even when turned into a quivering pile of flayed flesh, through Willpower, alone, he was able to conquer a God.And, this is just one feat.
There is also the fact that his purely unenhanced human mind can withstand the power of the Purple Man through willpower alone.
Then, there is the fact that Doom travelled to Hell, again and again, to be crushed by the devil (Mephisto) and his minions, every year, to save his mother's soul. He made a decision to go to Hell, over and over.
So, in this case, the question might be-
Who shows greater Willpower?
The God that Triumphs, with a full arsenal of powers, attributes and information that may even make the Abstracts jealous?
or
The human being that has become a universal conqueror again and again, (and more, if you count his other incarnations), with nothing but Willpower, while he constantly overcomes his human fragility and lack of power.
In all honesty, for all we know, Thanos may have equal or greater willpower than Doom. But, until Thanos has been shown to be stripped of EVERYTHING but his forward momentum, we can't know.
Because every time he wins or survives, he still has that arsenal.
hi before I make up my mind I would like to ask a question: Is there a difference between will and determination in both modern vernacular and philosophy?
Originally posted by BentleyThanos triumphed through sheer force of will. It states it on panel. He masters supreme power.
Again, his body not being up to the task doesn't mean he was being actively driven crazy by an external power, as long as his mind is untampered he just needed to block pain and exert his will. I'm not saying it's not a great feat of will, I'm saying that it's not the top.Thanos also had the energy absorbing abilities and the HotU close, it's not as if he resisted reality warping through will alone.
If this isn't the best then show me what is. I guess mastering omnipotent power through sheer force of willpower isn't the best so give me some examples of what is better. Quit being dishonest and vague.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If this isn't the best then show me what is. I guess mastering omnipotent power through sheer force of willpower isn't the best so give me some examples of what is better. Quit being dishonest and vague.
Doom/Beyonder is a bigger gap then Thanos/HOTU all things considered
Originally posted by AaklaDoom is just a cc while the supreme power is well over the Lt. Just image the gap between Lt and a cc while this power dwarfed Lt's. Thanos survived due to willpower while Doom's willpower broke under the cc's level of power.
Doom/Beyonder is a bigger gap then Thanos/HOTU all things considered
