Originally posted by namorsubby
Tell me what lead you to conclude that that statue weighed between 6-7 tons. Oh yeah, your raging cap boner.you couldn't come close to providing anything concrete to support that made up estimation. If you guys are simply going to make up numbers as high as you desire for caps strengh feats then he's as strong as youre imagination dictates.
The fact is there is nothing legit to suggest cap could lift 2000lbs over his head, much less double that.
Very simple.
http://www.matweb.com/tools/weightcalculator.aspx
The body of the eagle statue has a cross section closest to a tube shape. Pick circle as the cross section (not circular tube because its for hollow objects, which tubes are since things pass through them).
Then put 2.8 g/cc as the density, which is equivalent to granite. Then put the length of the circle at 12 feet, (which is roughly how tall the statue is), and then put the diameter at 3 feet (which is roughly how wide it is around). And then hit calculate. You'll get a figure of 14829.451 pounds...which is 7.4 tons. 🙂
Granted the statue's width around isn't constant throughout its whole height, but its also not accounting for the fact that I'm not calculating the weight of the wings too.
Also, see this example?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/28/atheists-sue-florida-county-to-remove-ten-commandments-monument/
That 5 foot tall statue of the ten commandments is stated at 6 tons as per the article.
And he can't lift 2000 lbs over his head? Why the hell not? A 16 foot Great White would weigh 2000 lbs. You're telling me that 12 foot + statue weighs less than a fleshy animal with no bony skeleton? Not to mention, he didn't just walk with it, he ripped the entire base of it out of the ground, which makes the feat even more impressive outside the mere weight of the statue, and more impressive than simply lifting it over his head.
Don't be upset because I can quantify strength feats on my own. I'm not so ignorant as to be lost without a writer holding my hand and telling me what something is--like you apparently are demonstrating. 🙂
Cap is an EASY multi-tonner---by FEATS.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Very simple.
http://www.matweb.com/tools/weightcalculator.aspx
The body of the eagle statue has a cross section closest to a tube shape. Pick circle as the cross section (not circular tube because its for hollow objects, which tubes are since things pass through them).
Then put 2.8 g/cc as the density, which is equivalent to granite. Then put the length of the circle at 12 feet, (which is roughly how tall the statue is), and then put the diameter at 3 feet (which is roughly how wide it is around). And then hit calculate. You'll get a figure of 14829.451 pounds...which is 7.4 tons. 🙂
Granted the statue's width around isn't constant throughout its whole height, but its also not accounting for the fact that I'm not calculating the weight of the wings too.Also, see this example?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/28/atheists-sue-florida-county-to-remove-ten-commandments-monument/That 5 foot tall statue of the ten commandments is stated at 6 tons as per the article.
And he can't lift 2000 lbs over his head? Why the hell not? A 16 foot Great White would weigh 2000 lbs. You're telling me that 12 foot + statue weighs less than a fleshy animal with no bony skeleton? Not to mention, he didn't just walk with it, he ripped the entire base of it out of the ground, which makes the feat even more impressive outside the mere weight of the statue, and more impressive than simply lifting it over his head.
Don't be upset because I can quantify strength feats on my own. I'm not so ignorant as to be lost without a writer holding my hand and telling me what something is--like you apparently are demonstrating. 🙂
Cap is an EASY multi-tonner---by FEATS.
So how strong do you rate Cap as being. Would you rate him as high as 10 ton?
Originally posted by namorsubbyWhy don't you try to support your position as opposed to bashing all those who disagree with your opinion.
Captain America is no where near 10 class. Anyone who believes so is no less than retarded.Beast strength is sufficient enough to easily lift and throw cars. He is stronger than cap.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Very simple.
http://www.matweb.com/tools/weightcalculator.aspx
The body of the eagle statue has a cross section closest to a tube shape. Pick circle as the cross section (not circular tube because its for hollow objects, which tubes are since things pass through them).
Then put 2.8 g/cc as the density, which is equivalent to granite. Then put the length of the circle at 12 feet, (which is roughly how tall the statue is), and then put the diameter at 3 feet (which is roughly how wide it is around). And then hit calculate. You'll get a figure of 14829.451 pounds...which is 7.4 tons. 🙂
Granted the statue's width around isn't constant throughout its whole height, but its also not accounting for the fact that I'm not calculating the weight of the wings too.Also, see this example?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/28/atheists-sue-florida-county-to-remove-ten-commandments-monument/That 5 foot tall statue of the ten commandments is stated at 6 tons as per the article.
And he can't lift 2000 lbs over his head? Why the hell not? A 16 foot Great White would weigh 2000 lbs. You're telling me that 12 foot + statue weighs less than a fleshy animal with no bony skeleton? Not to mention, he didn't just walk with it, he ripped the entire base of it out of the ground, which makes the feat even more impressive outside the mere weight of the statue, and more impressive than simply lifting it over his head.
Don't be upset because I can quantify strength feats on my own. I'm not so ignorant as to be lost without a writer holding my hand and telling me what something is--like you apparently are demonstrating. 🙂
Cap is an EASY multi-tonner---by FEATS.
Your height, width, material, and density are all made up based on you looking an object in a comic book and coming up with whatever estimation you see fit. You are surely out of your mind if you think cap is a multi-tonner much less class 10. Do you even read cap comics? When the hell has he ever lifted something 20,000lbs over his head? You have to be smoking.
Originally posted by namorsubbyIf it's so easy to do then do it. You really don't even fathom what debating is yet have the nerve to insult those with a different opinion than yours.
The notion that someone needs to actually disprove cap being class 10 is even more idiotic than the notion that cap is class 10.
Really though - when you have Quan jumping in on an exchange to call you out on your bullshit, you gotta quit or troll harder.
I definitely don't think Cap is class 10, and I'm not really sure what number I'd peg for his strength level. At least Comet though, who's making that assertion, is backing up what he thinks with pretty clear argumentation.
Namorsubby responds with tripe about not being required to back up anything ever.
GTFO.
Do what? Disprove that cap is a 10 tonner? Are you serious? Do you want me to simply post every cap appearance in which he had never lifted anything that weighed 20,000lbs? I'm not the imbecile claiming cap is class 10. Why dont you or whoever else believes actually show something to suggest so? Oh wait, you can't because theres absolutely nothing to suggest cap is any where near that level strength wise. Not in feats, not in rankings, nowhere but in the imagination of caps fondest admirers.
Originally posted by Existere
Really though - when you have Quan jumping in on an exchange to call you out on your bullshit, you gotta quit or troll harder.I definitely don't think Cap is class 10, and I'm not really sure what number I'd peg for his strength level. At least Comet though, who's making that assertion, is backing up what he thinks with pretty clear argumentation.
Namorsubby responds with tripe about not being required to back up anything ever.
GTFO.
Hes backing up that cap is class 10? Is there something in the air around here?
Originally posted by namorsubbyYou're bashing those who disagree with you. If it's not the norm then it shouldn't be a hard case to prove. If you can't prove it then kindly disappear into the shadows.
Do what? Disprove that cap is a 10 tonner? Are you serious? Do you want me yo comply post every cap appearance in which he had never lifted anything that weighed 20,000lbs? I'm not the imbecile claiming cap is class 10. Why dont you or whoever else believes actually show something to suggest so? Oh wait, you can't because theres absolutely nothing to suggest cap is any where near that level strength wise. Not in feats, not in rankings, nowhere but in the imagination of caps fondest admirers.
If debating was what you defined as debating kmc wouldn't have lasted a summer.
Originally posted by namorsubbyHow tall do you think that statue was?
If someone claims spider-man is class 100, or daredevil is class 15, how exactly do you go about disproving that? Why would you even feel the need to something so obviously incorrect? You want me to show cap never lifting 20,00lbs?
How wide?
Give your best estimate.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Your height, width, material, and density are all made up based on you looking an object in a comic book and coming up with whatever estimation you see fit. You are surely out of your mind if you think cap is a multi-tonner much less class 10. Do you even read cap comics? When the hell has he ever lifted something 20,000lbs over his head? You have to be smoking.
Lol.
So you're argument is that your admitted ignorance of the actual magnitude of a feat means you get to dictate the level of the feat?
You do realize how f*cking backwards that is, yes?
Not only this, you are admitting to taking a blind eye to very easily discernible scale of the object at hand, with the argument that somehow figures are being 'made up' despite a clear cut figure with a known size that's available as a reference being within the frame (Captain America).
You won't accept the statue as being multi-ton, let alone over 7 tons as a I said, but you DO realize just how massively different the actual figures for the statue would have to be from my guesstimations in order for the statue to be a more acceptable figure to you (guessing 1000 lbs is the max you are willing to concede), right? The statue would be so immensely smaller so as not to even be remotely confusable to be anywhere near the same size it is now.
Not only did I offer you a calculation, but I offered you a real life example of a 'comparable scale' object weighing 6 tons.
The onus is on you to prove the statue is less than multi-ton, let alone less than ONE ton.
And oh please. The only reason who doesn't read Captain America comics is you. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so fixated on a dumb ass, misleading handbook type of designation as 'peak human' for him. But then again, maybe you simply don't want to believe the facts, so continue to cling to that woefully incorrect terminology.
I mean, the fact that you even have to be convinced that a person who can do things like rip off the arms of robots larger than him, bust through steel doors while weakened, throw his shield so strongly that it has enough speed to catch up to a launched ICBM, hold up large chunks of buildings and rip up statues that are about twice as tall, twice as deep, and significantly wider off of their base is easier to compare to legit superhumans (like Wolverine or Spiderman) than a mere 'peak human', is telling enough of your agenda.
Cap is a superhuman multi-tonner, inarguable. Handling 2000 lbs+ handily is nothing he hasn't been doing his whole career.
His strength feats do not compare to spider-man's. He is actually class 10+.
Giving that I do not know the material, height, width, volume, or density(could be hollow) of the object, I don't attempt to draw a rough estimate based on nothing. I do however know that caps strength range is no where near within the 6-7 ton range. Therefore, I conclude that the object is not 6-7 tons. This is called logic.
Beast lifts and throws cars. Beast is ranked higher in strength. Beast is stronger
