who is stronger Captain america or Beast?

Well the smallest cars are on average of maybe 1-2 tons, sometimes 3 if they're like full size sedans. So you have to at least have the strength to lift that much weight over your head, and then even more strength to throw it any distance at all.

I consider it comparable to bench pressing or overhead pressing. A guy may be able to lift 300lbs over his head, but tossing it any significant distance requires a lot more strength than just lifting it. I'm not a math and physics major like most of these other guys apparently though.

Marvel in numerous bios has stated that Cap was capable of lifting 800 lbs, personally Id go closer to 1000 - 1200 pounds myself, which to me fits right in to his Peak Human physique ideal (which is the basis for What Cap Is) than him being Class 5 - 10 in strength.

are people still argue with this nuthead namorsnubby? no matter what people bring him his answer will always be " but but i read on wikipedia that Cap is peak human" and therefor no matter what feats of Cap you show him that are canon and happened more than once his answer will still be the same

as the statue feat, namorsnubby tell me something are you that dumb and mentally chanllenged that you need every single thing to be stated for you on panel? you need every weight to be stated for you? do you really need to see superman lift a car and the narration state in a buble "car weight 2 tons", or spider-man lift some chunk of building and narration state "concrete chunk 1 ton", seriously you dumb?

when someone lift a car how do we know the weight of that car? we dont have the size weight right? we can just speculate the weight, we dont know the matirial that car is made of right? it could be an aluminium car who knows right? was there an engine inside that car? maybe the cops were fixing the car and they took out all the parts inside of that car? and when beast lifted that chunk of concrete we dont know the exact weight of that dont we? you see i could be an A hole like you and go strawman but i dont because thats just retarded and basically trolling

that statue was much taller wider and overall bigger than cap, we all agree that statue was made out of stone right? doesnt matter concrete or any other type of stone, when cap ripped it out of the ground we could see it wasnt hollow inside right? therefor our healthy logic and overall physics knowledge can easily tell us it weighted several tons, how much exactly? i dont know but it was indeed more than 2 tons without a doubt, unless you are a complete idiot of course

You guys cannot simply state whatever number you want not based in fact and then proclaim that cap all of a sudden is able to lift 6 or 7 tons. It doesn't add up. It contradicts his general strength level according to feats, rankings, and instances where numbers are actually known. ***** all you want, but the fact is cap has never been a multi-tonner according to feats or anything else.

Originally posted by namorsubby
. It contradicts his general strength level according to feats.

but the feats ARE the ones who claim Cap is a multi toner

you need every single weight to be stated by the narration just because you are mentally challenged?

Originally posted by KingD19
Well the smallest cars are on average of maybe 1-2 tons, sometimes 3 if they're like full size sedans. So you have to at least have the strength to lift that much weight over your head, and then even more strength to throw it any distance at all.

Wasn't Beast amped in that instance?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wasn't Beast amped in that instance?

I really don't know. Just putting my 2 cents in on what I saw. Would you consider his current strength level capable of pulling that off?

Originally posted by red sabre
but the feats ARE the ones who claim Cap is a multi toner

you need every single weight to be stated by the narration just because you are mentally challenged?

No, the numbers you guys artificially attached to these feats claim that. your so called estimations are much higher than any actual number given in any of caps strength feats or rankings. As well as any quantifiable testament to caps strengh. Why do you think that is? Don't you think that if all these numbers you guys came up with were any where near reasonable that they'd be reflected in at least one quantifiable, precise, feat? If this was how strong he was truly potrayed throughout his comic history thered be something to suggest besides numbers some kmc posters conjured up.

Originally posted by namorsubby
No, the numbers you guys artificially attached to these feats claim that. your so called estimations are much higher than any actual number given in any of caps strength feats or rankings. As well as any quantifiable testament to caps strengh. Why do you think that is? Don't you think that if all these numbers you guys came up with were any where near reasonable that they'd be reflected in at least one quantifiable, precise, feat? If this was how strong he was truly potrayed throughout his comic history thered be something to suggest besides numbers some kmc posters conjured up.

as i already pointed out while specific numbers perhaps cannot be given we still are able to messure the range of the feat, are you suggesting to just ignore the feat just because no specific number was given? so now we should just ignore all strength feats ever given that doesnt have a clear number describing the weight? just shut up

the funniest thing is your double standard, when debating for slade you mentioned some hollow sarcofag that brok to pieces and yet you claimed it was a 3 ton feat, now we have a statue bigger than the sarcofag, made out of stone and not hollow and yet you suddenly ignore the feat and trying to lowball the feat ignoring it was a multiple ton feat

you sir are stupid and dont deserve to be called sir in the first place

Originally posted by namorsubby
His strength feats do not compare to spider-man's. He is actually class 10+.

I said his strength feats are easier to compare to a bonafide Superhuman like Spiderman, than a Peak Human (Batman for instance).

And this is absolutely true. Cap is the same guy who has held up a chunk of a skyscraper. Lol @ that not being a Spiderman comparable feat. Or ripping a multi-ton statue out of the ground. Or ripping an 8 to maybe 10 foot tall robot's arm off. Or throwing his shield with enough force to catch up to a launched ICBM.

That's not to say I think Cap is at Spiderman's level of strength however. Just that he's closer to Spiderman than Batman.

Giving that I do not know the material,

height, width, volume,

Sure you do. Unless you're admitting to being blind? Which would not surprise me in the least bit, on top of everything else you are.
You know the height, width, and depth, because Cap is there as a reference, and you know that he's significantly smaller in all regards there. The exact dimensions aren't even important here, because as I said, your estimations for the dimensions would have to be VASTLY different than mine in order to get the weight down to 1000 lbs or so.

Also, I know you aren't particularly bright, but listing off volume in order to sound smart, is just being redundant. After all, volume is just the totality of the three dimensions themselves. 🙂

or density(could be hollow) of the object,

And even if I lowballed it to the the point of being completely ridiculous and I gave it a density equal to a HUMAN body. (which is just 1.01 g/cc), it would STILL weigh ~2.7 tons. 😂

You're phucked anyway you try to split this.

I don't attempt to draw a rough estimate based on nothing. I do however know that caps strength range is no where near within the 6-7 ton range. Therefore, I conclude that the object is not 6-7 tons. This is called logic.

Oh, but it certainly isn't based on nothing. It's based on a *gasp* on-panel FEAT.

You know nothing, and because you are ignorant of plausible calculation and comparison methods (this is why I gave you a picture of something to compare with that was 6 tons, to dumb things down), you conclude its not 6-7 tons. That is the very opposite of logic. That is, as I said, admitted ignorance. Regardless, the notion of it being over 7 tons isn't even IMPORTANT. The important issue here, is that the statue itself is inexorably multi-ton no matter how you slice it. No matter how you try to break it down, that statue is going to be multi-ton--so at least 2 tons. And that, is something you will not be able to bring up an argument against, just like anything else.

You also know shit about Cap's strength range. You will just keep repeating some tired handbook refrain of peak human and ignore the actual superhuman feats--let alone the fact that WRITERS have commented on this shit and denied the idea that Captain America is just a peak human. Oh no. That's not what he was ever meant to be. He was meant to be a...what's the word? Oh yeah, 'Super' Soldier. That's right.
Brubaker, has mentioned that very thing, and nixed the idea that Captain America is equivalent to 'Batman with a shield'. He's not. He's super human, not something that can be achieved with training, which is what a peak human is.

Beast lifts and throws cars. Beast is ranked higher in strength. Beast is stronger

Beast is irrelevant to my posts here. I never argued against the notion of Beast being stronger. Either way, throwing a ~1 ton car is superior to ripping a multi-ton statue out of the ground? I don't believe so--it depends on how far the car is thrown.

Not to mention, Cap has tossed Terrax before. Who weighs just about 2,800 lbs--which is on the same scale as a car. 🙂

The simple fact is that cap is no where near class 10 because he had never lifted anything close to 20000lbs over his head. The numbers you guys made up are not supported by anything concrete in comics or elsewhere. Cap is not even class 2. Any idiot can simply attach a number to a feat they thought up themselves and try to rewrite a characters history. Then you turn around and try to insult my intelligence. Morons

Originally posted by namorsubby
The simple fact is that cap is no where near class 10 because he had never lifted anything close to 20000lbs over his head. The numbers you guys made up are not supported by anything concrete in comics or elsewhere. Cap is not even class 2. Any idiot can simply attach a number to a feat they thought up themselves and try to rewrite a characters history. Then you turn around and try to insult my intelligence. Morons

thats comming from a guy that was claiming some hollow sarcofag weights 3 ton without any reason behind it? the numbers we are giving are based on minimal speculations that were based on simple logic and physics knowledge, cap peaking up a concrete chank in his own size and throw them to one shot a freakin building is easily a ton feat

cap dragging a supply trcuk that minimaly weighted 15 tons across the desert while the wheels couldnt help because they were stuck in the sand and therefor it was even heavier is indeed a several ton strength feat because while not lifting it draging 15+ tons is obviously a good indication to the strength level

closing by brute strength silo doors that just by the look of it are easily weighting tons on top of tons

lifting and tearing out of the place a stone statue that is by far bigger and wider than him and cary it on his back is easily above 2 tons feat

thats the difference between someone who use logic to analyze things and someone that demands the comics to clear every single thing for him, i can do so as well and just claim prove the cars thrown at people are full weight cars because we dont know if there are engines inside those cars or any other parts, thats how dumb your so called logic sounds

I'm really curious to know just exactly what the guy considers to be a 2-ton feat at bare minimum.

Beast is stronger.

Bios are shit. For all the talk of Cap being "peak human" over "superhuman", his actual feats crap on that notion. Brubaker being more overt about it helps, but really, he's been superhuman according to feats for decades.