Jamie Braddock vs Addult Franklin Richards

Originally posted by "Id"

I mentioned you specifically because your the only real member that pushes Jamie WHR feat.

So now your prior post singling me out is meaningless.

Originally posted by "Id"

There is difference between attacking/criticizing.

There is attacking your personally, and then there is criticizing your argument.

So you made this thread specifically to at me?

Anyway, what the phuck does this have to do with my "argument"

"he lacks the ability to say as much as possible, with the fewest amount of words. "

😐

Looks like you're scrutinizing how I post, not my argument.

Which is off-topic, irrelevant and thus tip toeing into the realm of trolling.

Originally posted by "Id"

If you can't handle someone criticizing your argument,
than you have no business debating period.

You trying to hate, and I'm reporting that behavior from now on.

Originally posted by "Id"

He warped in, and out of it.
I don't see how thats impressive as I would expect someone as strong as him to do so.

So "thoughts" will inject, I'm not impressed as well,
and that'll be the end of it.

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Originally posted by "Id"

But Frankie has a feat of holding back collapsing universes of
some shit.

As an inexperienced child, Franklin effortlessly destroyed a hugely amped Mephisto in his own realm:

(Mephisto later confirms how badly/thoroughly Franklin owned him above):

As an inexperienced child, Franklin whimsically created a working universe from scratch:

"God."

That being said, adult Franklin has a MUCH greater understanding of his cumulative reality-warping powerset, thus he is MUCH more powerful than his younger self... That's why the Mad Celestials freaked out upon his arrival:

I also lulz'd at Frank pwning BB's voice:

Anyhow, I personally don't see Frank losing. Jamie is a beat, though... Not denying that.

Originally posted by Mr Master

You also said this before, and again, I'd like to see/read it.

That one most probably did happen but as I said before , give until tomorrow , and I'll dig up the scans for you .

Also , holding up the "collapsing realities" apparently took place in F4 # 582 . I am in the process of downloading it right now .

Originally posted by Galan007

I also lulz'd at Frank pwning BB's voice:

Anyhow, I personally don't see Frank losing. Jamie is a beat, though... Not denying that.

I lulzed at BB trying to intimidate the god-killer standing in front of him , with "you dare" , and then horribly failing at it . Also , is that "something" that Franklin noticed a few weeks ago , the coming of the Phoenix Force ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That one most probably did happen but as I said before , give until tomorrow , and I'll dig up the scans for you .

Also , holding up the "collapsing realities" apparently took place in F4 # 582 . I am in the process of downloading it right now .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I lulzed at BB trying to intimidate the god-killer standing in front of him , with "you dare" , and then horribly failing at it . Also , is that "something" that Franklin noticed a few weeks ago , the coming of the Phoenix Force ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

If I remember correctly ,
then that version of Fury-Jaspers combo wasn't that particularly
impressive and was defeated by the Captain Britain corps .

The Fury was vulnerable, regenerating after overwhelming Jaspers,
THEN,
Captain Britain and Avalon jumped the Fury weakening it further,
then,
Blink dumped all her energy quills into the Fury, finally defeating it.

btw.

Jaspers was considered an Omniversal threat during that entire recent arc,
by character statements (including Roma) to writer narration columns.
(corroborated in Handbooks as well)

Jaspers erased almost the entire Britain Corps with a wave of his hand.

... mind you, they came from every universe in the Omniverse.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

That aside , his most impressive feat was warping the White Hot Room .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Franklin , according to Daydreamers and Man-Thing vol 3 , was
responsible not just for the creation of HR universe , but a number
of alternate dimensions , in one of which Howard was able to talk ,
had a sister named Princess and he is regarded as a hero by his
family . Just wait until tomorrow , I'll dig up the scans from my hard
disk and post it for you .

I'll look into the alternate dimensions like the Howard example.

You don't need to post it for me friend,
if it exists, I'm already on it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

The most recent adult version
was able to survive the destruction of his own timeline

Originally posted by Mr Master

In what issue?

Originally posted by Galan007

As an inexperienced child,
Franklin effortlessly destroyed a hugely amped Mephisto in his own realm:

Although, we should submit,
Franklin's potential was released in that story when he floored Mephisto:

Mephisto was also afraid of Franky cause he knew this could happen for said reason below:

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Also should be noted:

We can't tell if Mephisto's amp left before he got floored, or right after,
but it was definitely not there when Franklin destroyed him:

But meh, seeing Franky's potential was unleashed, I don't see why he couldn't do it one way or another.

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Originally posted by Galan007

As an inexperienced child, Franklin whimsically created a working universe from scratch:

"God."

Which is still a universe,
but with boundaries (not infinite) and significantly smaller than a Universe from the Multiverse.

He made one that was the size of the Earth roughly. (HR)

Originally posted by Galan007

That being said, adult Franklin has a MUCH greater understanding of his cumulative reality-warping powerset, thus he is MUCH more powerful than his younger self... That's why the Mad Celestials freaked out upon his arrival:

I also lulz'd at Frank pwning BB's voice:

Just like to point out that Franklin created that universe before he had any formal training regarding his powers. He just... Did it. That is what makes it most impressive to me.

Either way, adult Franklin (who also created pocket universes for the lulz) is leaps and bounds beyond his child-self. Jamie hasn't impressed me much in recent years--he's still a powerhouse, just not on Frank's tier, imo.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If I remember correctly , that "blue ball" was used solely for the purpose of resurrecting Galactus .

Originally posted by Galan007

I also lulz'd at Frank pwning BB's voice:

Anyhow, I personally don't see Frank losing. Jamie is a beat, though... Not denying that.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
also Gactus stating how Franklin is destined to be come a cosmic force should speak leagues about his power

Funny to me that Frank referred to Galactus as "Galen". I can't recall anyone else ever referring to Galactus by his real name in casual conversation..?

@Galan
i'm telling you, they're beer buddies man

Originally posted by Galan007

Just like to point out that Franklin created that universe before he
had any formal training regarding his powers. He just... Did it.
That is what makes it most impressive to me.

Still very impressive considering the circumstances.

Originally posted by Galan007

Either way, adult Franklin (who also created pocket universes for
the lulz) is leaps and bounds beyond his child-self. Jamie hasn't
impressed me much in recent years--he's still a powerhouse, just
not on Frank's tier, imo.

Jamie is more powerful though imo.

Franklin's so damn boss. He'll crack my top 10 if he keeps it up

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
@Galan
i'm telling you, they're beer buddies man

It would also be nice to have this future-event that Ben mentioned extrapolated on at some point in time:

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just read 582.

I don't think he was affecting the collapse.

I believe he was trying to hold open the rift in space-time which he kicked Nathanial into.

He said the "pressure was collapsing the pocket" and they jumped into it before it did so.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree. I was just pointing out that it was a pocket-verse.

Still very impressive considering the circumstances.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm impressed by both of em personally.

Jamie is more powerful though imo.

Originally posted by Cogito
Franklin's so damn boss. He'll crack my top 10 if he keeps it up

...He has Hickman to thank for that. uhuh

Originally posted by Mr Master
Jamie is more powerful though imo.

Not powerful enough to be drinking beers with Big G at the heat death of the universe though duster

@Mr M

If you haven't read the recent Fantastic Four and FF comics Hickman has written, I highly suggest doing so. They're brilliantly done.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I'm sure you knew but for the others that may have not, technically that's a pocket-verse.

Which is still a universe,
but with boundaries (not infinite) and significantly smaller than a Universe from the Multiverse.

He made one that was the size of the Earth roughly. (HR)

The Heroes Reborn Universe was an almost exact replica of the 616 universe , complete with its own interstellar civilizations , star systems , galaxies and even a Galactus(and his heralds) . I'd say its more than just the size a mere planet like the Earth .
Plus in his most recent confrontation with the Mad Celestials , Franklin was TWICE referred as a "universal shaper" . That , imo , definitely puts him in the same class as a universal level reality warper .

IMO , going by his current feats , Franklin is possibly the 3rd strongest reality warping mutant , with MoD being first and MJJ being 2nd .

Originally posted by Galan007
Wurd.

It would also be nice to have this future-event that Ben mentioned extrapolated on at some point in time:

Oh, as long as Hickman is still around for a few more months , its definitely going to be extrapolated upon . Remember , "Here I can build " from that scan in which future Franklin takes a dive into the bundle of different timelines ?