Jamie Braddock vs Addult Franklin Richards

Originally posted by Galan007
Frank did say that he would "never let's BB's voice harm him." So yeah...

That could mean only himself . Which essentially implies that he made himself immune to BB's sonics .
Think about it . Wouldn't it seem disrespectful , insensitive and somewhat arrogant on Frank's part to strip BB of his voice ability , just so that they can have a casual conversation ? Wouldn't it look humiliating in front of his subjects , which consist of his spouse and her sisters ? Along with the Kree , among whom the Supremor would probably be gloating at the sight of BB's predicament(even if it was temporary) ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That could mean only himself . Which essentially implies that he made himself immune to BB's sonics .

Originally posted by Galan007
That's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by zopzop

Very nice list.

To Jamie, everything he sees is made of stings he has control over,
and evidently by effortlessly manipulating these strings he can alter reality,
even a multiversal wide Nexus like the White Hot Room.

Originally posted by zopzop

Quick question though,
what was the omniversal scale attack that Jamie withstood?

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I might as well, through in the whole scene, where he stomps Tech-Net,
it's pretty cool.

Aside from Scatterbrain, Technet has another uber character called Joyboy,
a floating baby who can perceive your most extreme unattainable desire
and then gives it to you.
But this k.o's you and leaves you damaged
since you acquire a wish you could never have had.

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Anyway ... This is Jamie Braddock, the first time he came to realize his power:

(he easily defeats TechNet, including Scatterbrain, Joyboy and the rest)

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Notice in the scene with Scatterbrain, Jamie actually enjoyed her attack. 😂

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Btw , Mr M , isn't Asgard a galaxy sized dimension ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Also , didn't the HR verse have the Skrulls as well ? IIRC

The Kree wasn't there.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Btw , this play pocketverse/baby-universe he created ,
definitely had its own galaxy .

[B] Tell me , what else would you call a swirling ocean of stars like
that , shaped like our Milky Way , apart from a galaxy ? This is
what I am talking about :

Again below, as I stated earlier on page 3:

Originally posted by Mr Master

*note*

Pocket-Universes come in different sizes,

but none of them are near the size of an actual Universe,

and certainly not in the breadth of infinity.

The scan you posted, is a recent depiction,
of a relaxed Franklin who's been practicing in private from the comfort of his closet.

He may have been able to do the same thing for Heroes Reborn,
but the circumstance may have made the difference.
( it was half the size of "our own galaxy" )
That's still around 50,000 light years of space/time made by a child on a whim.

That shit's incredibly impressive, especially under the conditions he was in.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The scan you posted, is a recent depiction,
of a relaxed Franklin who's been practicing in private from the comfort of his closet.

Whole scene:

It was only after said 'tour' that Franklin's training began.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That shit's incredibly impressive, especially under the conditions he was in.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The scan you posted, is a recent depiction,
of a relaxed Franklin who's been practicing in private from the comfort of his closet.

He may have been able to do the same thing for Heroes Reborn,
but the circumstance may have made the difference.
( it was half the size of "our own galaxy" )
That's still around 50,000 light years of space/time made by a child on a whim.

That shit's incredibly impressive, especially under the conditions he was in.

The universe in my scan , was made immediately after his powers were reawakened by his older self . So it was made with a POSSIBLY more relaxed mind , but at that point he still didn't have any sort of training .

Also the most recent estimates put our galaxy between 100000-120000 light-years , in terms of DIAMETER . Considering that the HR universe was half the "size" of our galaxy , it is around 50000-60000 light-years in diameter , is around 25000-30000 light-years in radius , is around 150000-180000 light-years in circumference , and 65,000,000,000,00 to 113,000,000,000,000 cubic light-years in volume . (Note that I rounded of the value of pi to 3 here , so the actual numbers are even higher).
That is A LOT of space .

Originally posted by Galan007

Actually, Franklin had not yet received any type of training/practice
with his powers when that shade of his older self showed he and Leech
what he'd created.

It was only after said 'tour' that Franklin's training began.

In the sense that, he plays this way, which makes him better the more he plays.

This statement from Galactus (imo) suggest Franky's been doing this:

Then again, we know he's created and/or destroyed pocket-verses prior aside from (HR)

It seems though now he's doing it with more conscious control.

The shaded self even said as much:

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree with the training, but I believe he was practicing on his own.

In the sense that, he plays this way, which makes him better the more he plays.

This statement from Galactus (imo) suggest Franky's been doing this:

It appears more as if Galactus is trying to imply how woefully oblivious Reed is to his own child's activities , even while he's worrying about global catastrophes . Nothing about Franklin training or practicing with his abilities .

Originally posted by Mr Master
This statement from Galactus (imo) suggest Franky's been doing this:

Originally posted by Mr Master
It seems though now he's doing it with more conscious control.

The shaded self even said as much:

All Franklin knew is that his dreams were becoming reality. He had no idea how his powers worked on a more complex level. The scan you referenced just demonstrates the fact that Franklin was capable of dreaming up universes that were close to the real thing (even on a conceptual level), w/o even knowing wtf he was doing.

As Valeria said: "He's a pretty special boy."

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

It appears more as if Galactus is trying to imply how woefully
oblivious Reed is to his own child's activities , even while he's worrying about global catastrophes .
That's obvious for that's exactly what G said, apart from then mentioning Franky.
Nothing about Franklin training or practicing with his abilities .

Also, I already agreed Franky wasn't training.

I said he was practicing via playing.

Please friend,
read others' posts' thoroughly as to avoid misconstruing others' posts.
It also avoids redundancy like repeating what G said.

Originally posted by Galan007

I agree with GK's interpretation. Galactus' statement, to me,
implies that Reed/Sue have been so busy dealing with misc. events,
that they completely failed to notice their own child's 'antics' (ie.
running off into his universe and fighting crime with Leech, etc.) /shrug

Nah. In the following page, Franklin responds to the shade's comments:

All Franklin knew is that his dreams were becoming reality. He had no
idea how his powers worked on a more complex level. The scan you
referenced just demonstrates the fact that Franklin was capable of
dreaming up universes that were close to the real thing (even on a
conceptual level), w/o even knowing wtf he was doing.

As Valeria said: "He's a pretty special boy."

Had G said, 'what your child has done.'

I'd say there's no question he was talking about an isolated incident.

But since he said 'what your child's been doing.'

There's room for interpretation, imo.

I also don't completely agree Franky's last comment washes away my suggestion.

That's all. I see your point btw. and it could be seen that way as well.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's all. I see your point btw. and it could be seen that way as well.

Imo, the interpretation I gave falls more in line with Franklin's character portrayal. Franklin essentially tells his older self that he doesn't know what he's doing on any sort of complex level--all he knows is that whatever he imagines seems to happen. Personally, I don't think he was practicing in the formal sense of the word--that's why his older self began training him in the first place.

Either way, the kid (even untrained) was massively powerful and has only become more powerful since then, thanks to constantly training with his future self.

...And adult Franklin is far more powerful still.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nobody said anything about G being specific, so of course G never anything about said statements.

Also, I already agreed Franky wasn't training.

I said he was practicing via playing.

Please friend,
read others' posts' thoroughly as to avoid misconstruing others' posts,
it also avoid redundancy like repeating what G said.

I understand G's statements, and we know what he was telling Reed concerning his distraction,
I also believe what G said afterwards, can be interpreted either way.

Had G said, 'what your child has done.'

I'd say there's no question he was talking about an isolated incident.

But since he said 'what your child's been doing.'

There'd room for interpretation, imo.

That's all. I see your point btw. and it could be seen that way as well.

I never misconstrued yours or anyone else's posts . I simply pointed out that in that particular scan you provided Galactus merely pointed out Reed's ignorance on what his "son had been upto" . In that very issue from which you provided the scan , its clearly shown that the play universe he and Leech jumped into was same universe he created at the point his powers were awakened by his older self . So , based on on-panel evidence , its safe to assume that from the moment his powers had been awakened , up until that point in the series(when he and Leech jumped into his created reality) , he had only made one pocket universe(which was possibly bigger than the HR universe) .
So the best "practice" he got up until that point was shooting down a bunch of imaginary , cartoonish villains he made in this 2nd pocket universe(he and Leech ventured into) .
All that said , I still don't see how he was "practicing" his reality warping abilities in any major way , shape or form , such that it would elicit Galactus to imply that he had been doing such a thing .

Also , Mr Master , please answer the queries asked in this post :

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus , Odin and Thanos as well , if you consider the reformed Clyde to be the same guy as the Marquis .

Also , has any other reality warper(apart from Franklin) managed to or even mentioned to , on-panel , affect or control a high end abstract or cosmic ?
I know MJJ , Braddock , and HoM Wanda have universal , multiversal and omniversal level warping feats , but was it ever shown or even mentioned on-panel that they were able to directly affect a high end cosmic or an abstract under their own power ?

If not , then going by his feats , MoD is the strongest human mutant reality warper shown so far .