Jamie Braddock vs Addult Franklin Richards

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

The Heroes Reborn Universe was an almost exact replica of the 616 universe ,
complete with its own interstellar civilizations , star systems , galaxies and even a Galactus(and his heralds) .

I'd say its more than just the size a mere planet like the Earth .

It was nothing more than a "pocket universe" and in no way resembling 616,
other than the planet Earth which was the replica.

It was also unstable from its inception and this is why Ashema intervened.

I don't know where you got that there were:

"interstellar civilizations , star systems , galaxies and even a Galactus and his heralds"

But in fact, it was the size of a solar system as Tony put it. (I'll upload it in a while)

Asgard (another pocket-universe) is even smaller than that.

Also, after Ashema's input, Doom took the replica Earth out of the collapsing pocket-verse,
and put it on the other side of the Sun.

That's why I was saying it was the size of a planet, I forgot about it's birth-story.

*note*

Pocket-Universes come in different sizes,
but none of them are near the size of an actual Universe,
and certainly not in the breadth of infinity.

Originally posted by Galan007
@Mr M

If you haven't read the recent Fantastic Four and FF comics Hickman has written, I highly suggest doing so. They're brilliantly done.

I'm all over it, salivating.

Franky's definitely gone up the latter friend.

He turned off the part of Nathaniel Richards' brain,
which controls his power to jump around the time-stream.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

I'm all over it, salivating.

He's an excellent cosmic-level storyteller.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Franky's definitely gone up the latter friend.

He turned off the part of Nathaniel Richards' brain,
which controls his power to jump around the time-stream.

What about the durability of either?

Sure, both have great offensive capabilities when it comes to warping reality, but what about their feats of resisting being warped themselves by other reality warpers?

Theoretically, since Jaime has control over the quantum strings that bind all of reality, shouldn't he be more resilient than adult Franklin?

Durability-wise, Frank tanked multiple blasts from the Mad Celestials. Those are likely his best on panel durability feats, considering he's only been around (in the flesh) for a handful of issues.

...Dunno if Jamie has a durability feat on par with that. Mr M has followed Jamie's 'career' more consistently than I have--he'd likely know if such a feat exists.

quick question
is there any possbility of Jamie coming back anytime soon?
or is he dead for good?

Originally posted by Mr Master
The WHR is a Multiversal Nexus. Franky's never affected something that major.

Jamie effortlessly withstood a consciousness expanding Omniversal scale attack,
he then equally stomped that power like child's play.

Jamie created an Alternate Universe and made an alternate of himself within it.
This alternate Jamie that 616 Jamie created,
was able to also control that alternate reality.
He actually shut off all sound waves across the Universe to stomp Dazzler,
and turned all the stars in that Universe into harmless snowflakes. 🙂
to shut off Havok's power which derived from stellar energy.

Jamie manipulated Alfie O'Meagan's entire Universe via a comic book in 616. 😂
(Alfie just happens to be the most powerful being/reality warper in that Universe)

Jamie fused 616 Jaspers with the Fury, even though Wanda only resurrected MJJ.

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Those are some feats off the top of my head.

Quick question though, what was the omniversal scale attack that Jamie withstood?

As to the topic, my money is on Jamie.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, after flipping pages, I noticed I was mistaken.

It was nothing more than a "pocket universe" and in no way resembling 616,
other than the planet Earth which was the replica.

It was also unstable from its inception and this is why Ashema intervened.

I don't know where you got that there were:

"interstellar civilizations , star systems , galaxies and even a Galactus and his heralds"

But in fact, it was the size of a solar system as Tony put it. (I'll upload it in a while)

Asgard (another pocket-universe) is even smaller than that.

Also, after Ashema's input, Doom took the replica Earth out of the collapsing pocket-verse,
and put it on the other side of the Sun.

That's why I was saying it was the size of a planet, I forgot about it's birth-story.

*note*

Pocket-Universes come in different sizes,
but none of them are near the size of an actual Universe,
and certainly not in the breadth of infinity.

It did have its own Galactus . And as far as interstellar civilizations are concerned , they at least had the Skrulls .
http://marvel.wikia.com/Galactus_(Heroes_Reborn)_(Earth-616)

Also the "blue ball" containing the gateway to the pocket universe , was initially discovered by Strange , and then later given to Eternity for safekeeping .

Originally posted by Galan007
Durability-wise, Frank tanked multiple blasts from the Mad Celestials. Those are likely his best on panel durability feats, considering he's only been around (in the flesh) for a handful of issues.

Plus withstanding Blackbolt's voice .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

It did have its own Galactus .
And as far as interstellar civilizations are concerned ,
they at least had the Skrulls .
.

Alright, this is the extent of it:

The pocket-verse was half the size of "our own" galaxy.
(I was mistaken by saying solar system) that's what Tony said and Doom complied.

There were few stars and planets which Franky added subconcsiously to give this space substance.

It seems though the only other planet with life was the Kree Thrownworld,
and of course the replicated Earth.

It seems since Franky did this on a nervous whim to save his people,
he created a few extras to fill up the mini-reality.

Interestingly, he made two special elements he's familiar with due to his families history,
a facsimile of Galactus and the Kree.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This discussion had me hitting the shelves for my Heroes Reborn collection.

Alright, this is the extent of it:

The pocket-verse was half the size of "our own" galaxy.
(I was mistaken by saying solar system) that's what Tony said and Doom complied.

There were few stars and planets which Franky added subconcsiously to give this space substance.

It seems though the only other planet with life was the Kree Thrownworld,
and of course the replicated Earth.

It seems since Franky did this on a nervous whim to save his people,
he created a few extras to fill up the mini-reality.

Interestingly, he made two special elements he's familiar with due to his families history,
a facsimile of Galactus and the Kree.

Btw , Mr M , isn't Asgard a galaxy sized dimension ? At least that's what I've heard . However if you have any info and scans regarding the size of the Asgardian dimension , can you provide them to me ?
It'll be much appreciated .

Also , didn't the HR verse have the Skrulls as well ? IIRC , then they seemed to have a blood feud going with Galactus for consuming their world .

Originally posted by Mr Master
This discussion had me hitting the shelves for my Heroes Reborn collection.

Alright, this is the extent of it:

The pocket-verse was half the size of "our own" galaxy.
(I was mistaken by saying solar system) that's what Tony said and Doom complied.

There were few stars and planets which Franky added subconcsiously to give this space substance.

It seems though the only other planet with life was the Kree Thrownworld,
and of course the replicated Earth.

It seems since Franky did this on a nervous whim to save his people,
he created a few extras to fill up the mini-reality.

Interestingly, he made two special elements he's familiar with due to his families history,
a facsimile of Galactus and the Kree.

Btw , this play pocketverse/baby-universe he created , definitely had its own galaxy . Tell me , what else would you call a swirling ocean of stars like that , shaped like our Milky Way , apart from a galaxy ? This is what I am talking about :

Originally posted by Galan007
Wurd.

It would also be nice to have this future-event that Ben mentioned extrapolated on at some point in time:

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[B]yeah i hope so too, im all for it
that whole issue was put together very nicely [/B]

In #582 , when future Franklin dived into the massive bundle of different timelines/realities , there was one particular future in which Doom was shown speaking "Here I can build" . This turned out to be prophetic , after FF#16 was released . If Hickman is still sticking around for another couple of months , then trust me , he'll weave this particular event into a spectacular storyline in a way only Hickman can do .
Otherwise , you can leave it to some future jack@$$ writer to either retcon these events(eg. Parliament of Doom) or just ignore them altogether .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Plus withstanding Blackbolt's voice .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Btw , this play pocketverse/baby-universe he created , definitely had its own galaxy . Tell me , what else would you call a swirling ocean of stars like that , shaped like our Milky Way , apart from a galaxy ? This is what I am talking about :

Originally posted by Galan007
He didn't really withstand BB's voice, he just negated it--turned it off (much like he did to Nathaniel's powerset.)

I don't think so . If that was the case why put BB in a safety cube in the first place ?

Good point.

Originally posted by Galan007
Good point.

Its not like its beyond his ability to do so . But stripping BB of his power(s)(even momentarily) would be too disrespectful and intrusive on BB's person , and in that same panel , Franklin refers to BB as "my good king" . So , I am pretty sure that Franklin respects the guy , and came up with the best solution with that translucent red cuboid cell , and making himself immune to BB's voice .

Frank did say that he would "never let's BB's voice harm him." So yeah...