Originally posted by quanchi112
You never proved anything. The blast was greater due to it destroying a reinforced hammer. You need to back your claims.
I'm thinking I should report you. You keep saying the same things over and over without trying to refute the evidence I gave. You are not debating but rather trolling at a high level. This is a debating forum, not one where you ignore evidence given to you and reply by constantly repeating the same thing over and over.
If you are going to debate then address the points made to you, otherwise don't respond and ignore. Otherwise, you are derailing the thread and trolling.
Originally posted by zopzop
Your points fail because :A) The writer of Thor 412 made it clear -
[b]So be it! Thou hast forced me to unleash the most terrifying Asgardian power of all! A power which once hurled back Galactus, the World-eater, and e'en gave pause to an almighty Celestial! I must call forth the god-force which flows within my veins -- and unite it with the irresistible power of mine enchanted Uru mallet! And the God of Thunder shall become one with the hammer supreme! Let the Juggernaut FALL!
Originally posted by zopzop
B) On panel Thor said the weakness spell had passed and already he was regaining his strength
Originally posted by zopzop
C) In the rematch, Thor again could not hurt Juggernaut at all and didn't even attempt a Godblast, he resorted to negating his force field and STILL couldn't beat him and had to resort to a BFR (just like the first time).
Originally posted by zopzop
****After Mjolnir shattered during that "Alone Against the Celestials" arc, it was the Celestials that restored it.
****Do you have any evidence to suggest that the uru metal with which the hammer was reforged , was stronger than regular uru ? Or has there been any on-panel indication that after the Exitar incident , Odin strengthened Mjolnir , and gave it a durability boost ?
Godkiller please stop making stuff up. These characters never existed. That means they never thought or reasoned in ways not clearly shown or stated by the writer.
Comics are simple for the most part. We go off what the writer is trying to show and not probably what the character is thinking (since they don't exist in order to think). The writer wanted to show Juggs being able to withstand a Godblast (Thor's mightiest attack). So he shows it. Simple. That was his intention. His intention wasn't to show Juggs withstanding an inferior Godblast. Otherwise he would have stated it CLEARLY.
Originally posted by h1a8Because you don't know how to refute or even make a point. Destroying the hammer is proof it's a more powerful blast.
I'm thinking I should report you. You keep saying the same things over and over without trying to refute the evidence I gave. You are not debating but rather trolling at a high level. This is a debating forum, not one where you ignore evidence given to you and reply by constantly repeating the same thing over and over.If you are going to debate then address the points made to you, otherwise don't respond and ignore. Otherwise, you are derailing the thread and trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
Godkiller please stop making stuff up. These characters never existed. That means they never thought or reasoned in ways not clearly shown or stated by the writer.Comics are simple for the most part. We go off what the writer is trying to show and not probably what the character is thinking (since they don't exist in order to think). The writer wanted to show Juggs being able to withstand a Godblast (Thor's mightiest attack). So he shows it. Simple. That was his intention. His intention wasn't to show Juggs withstanding an inferior Godblast. Otherwise he would have stated it CLEARLY.
1.I am not making things up . Stop accusing me of doing things I haven't done .
2.The writer's "intentions" here are inconsequential , as at this point they are merely being speculated upon by us , the readers . The writer in no way implies that the Juggernaut-godblast was as powerful/more powerful/less powerful than either the Exitar-godbalst or the Galactus-godblast . What the writer does imply(through Thor) is that a particular attack(possibly the strongest in Thor's powerset) called the "godblast" was used against Juggernaut , and via Thor's words , the writer is attempting to inspire awe in the reader(and Thor is apparently trying to inspire hesitation/fear/doubt in the Juggernaut) , by telling us that this particular attack was attempted against vastly powerful godlike beings like Galactus and Exitar ,with varying degrees of success .
I can go down the same road and claim that the writer of "Alone against the Celestials" intended to show that the godblast used against Exitar was far stronger than normal(as it ended by destroying a reinforced Mjolnir in the process) . However , I won't do that , as I know its only speculation on my part , and mere speculation shouldn't be taken as Gospel Truth .
Not to mention that in this scan , from which the writer's supposed "intention" was taken , Thor also states that :
"and e'en gave pause to an almighty celestial"
So , its pretty clear that if the writer "intended" the godblast to be of the same power-level , then he also "intended" the severe damage that was done to said Celestial , to be downgraded to a mere "pause" .
So which one is it ? The godblast being equally powerful(the thing we all are debating here) , or the damage done to Exitar being a mere "pause"(which we know wasn't the case) ?
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI´m just gonna go ahead and report you for trolling, seems like you dont care about facts 🙄
So , its pretty clear that if the writer "intended" the godblast to be of the same power-level , then he also "intended" the severe damage that was done to said Celestial , to be downgraded to a mere "pause" .
So which one is it ?
Originally posted by Reacting2
I´m just gonna go ahead and report you for trolling, seems like you dont care about facts 🙄
For what ? Stating my opinion ? I doubt that such an action is going to faze me in the least bit because even if a mod sends me a warning , I'll clarify the issue with them , as I did nothing wrong in this case .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYou were making up the reasoning that Thor purposely used an inferior Godblast because he holds back on Migardians.
1.I am not making things up . Stop accusing me of doing things I haven't done .
This argument actually proves it. You defeated your own argument. If a writer doesn't create the reason of the Godblast being weaker then it isn't. We, the readers, are not suppose to assume something that isn't shown or stated. In other words, we can't assume what isn't shown or stated. It is crystal clear that the writer wanted to show that Juggs can withstand the SAME attack that drove back Galactus and penetrated a Celestial. Otherwise, his statement would be utterly confusing and false to the reader.
2.The writer's "intentions" here are inconsequential , as at this point they are merely being speculated upon by us , the readers . The writer in no way implies that the Juggernaut-godblast was as powerful/more powerful/less powerful than either the Exitar-godbalst or the Galactus-godblast . What the writer does imply(through Thor) is that a particular attack(possibly the strongest in Thor's powerset) called the "godblast" was used against Juggernaut , and via Thor's words , the writer is attempting to inspire awe in the reader(and Thor is apparently trying to inspire hesitation/fear/doubt in the Juggernaut) , by telling us that this particular attack was attempted against vastly powerful godlike beings like Galactus and Exitar ,with varying degrees of success .
I can go down the same road and claim that the writer of "Alone against the Celestials" intended to show that the godblast used against Exitar was far stronger than normal(as it ended by destroying a reinforced Mjolnir in the process) . However , I won't do that , as I know its only speculation on my part , and mere speculation shouldn't be taken as Gospel Truth .
Various degrees of success is due to different characters. Not every character has the same durability. Galactus was starving at the time and thus much weaker.
Lastly, everyone knows, that the Godblast is Thor's mightiest attack. There is no attack made by Thor that had greater feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
You were making up the reasoning that Thor purposely used an inferior Godblast because he holds back on Migardians.
Originally posted by h1a8
This argument actually proves it. You defeated your own argument. If a writer doesn't create the reason of the Godblast being weaker then it isn't. We, the readers, are not suppose to assume something that isn't shown or stated. In other words, we can't assume what isn't shown or stated. It is crystal clear that the writer wanted to show that Juggs can withstand the SAME attack that drove back Galactus and penetrated a Celestial. Otherwise, his statement would be utterly confusing and false to the reader.
If a writer doesn't create the reason of theGodblast being weakerMjolnir being less durable then it isn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
Various degrees of success is due to different characters. Not every character has the same durability. Galactus was starving at the time and thus much weaker.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, everyone knows, that the Godblast is Thor's mightiest attack. There is no attack made by Thor that had greater feats.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Not to mention that in this scan , from which the writer's supposed "intention" was taken , Thor also states that :
[b]"and e'en gave pause to an almighty celestial"So , its pretty clear that if the writer "intended" the godblast to be of the same power-level , then he also "intended" the severe damage that was done to said Celestial , to be downgraded to a mere "pause" .
So which one is it ? The godblast being equally powerful(the thing we all are debating here) , or the damage done to Exitar being a mere "pause"(which we know wasn't the case) ? [/B]
Here it is hurling back Galactus exactly like it was stated in 412 too.
Defalco intended it to be the EXACT same blast that did the above. You don't like it but you don't have to like, you just have to accept what's stated on panel and move on.
****Funny side note, according to Marvel wikia Tom Defalco wrote BOTH instances of the Godblast (the one used vs Exitar and the one used vs Juggernaut), so if he said it's the same.............it's the same.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How is it making things up , when it was just a speculative reason given by me ? Merely speculating=/= making things up(i.e. making facts up , as I presume you were trying to imply).No , if anything , my argument validates my position that the writer's intentions are only mere speculations by us , the readers , and all we can go by in this case , is the available on-panel evidence .
Also , to quote a certain someone :See , what I did here ? If its anyone whose argument ended up defeating themselves , its you .
And , as I have mentioned so many times now , that statement by Thor in no way indicates that the godblast used against Juggernaut was of equal/greater/lesser power than the one used on Exitar . And even if it does imply that the writer "intended" the 2 godblasts to be of the same power, then those statements also imply that the writer "intended" the severe damage done originally done to the said Celestial , to be downgraded to a mere "pause" . So , which one is it ?There was no need to address any of that as I understood it perfectly .
Agreed .
Only one of these are true:
1. Both hammers had the same durability while the blast was weaker against Juggs than the one against Exitar.
2. Both blasts were the same strength while the hammer was weaker in durability against Exitar than for Juggs.
You are clearly choosing 1 over 2 when in fact it makes more sense to choose 2.
The writer stated "A POWER which once hurled back Galactus..." The writer is trying to get the reader to understand that Thor is about the hit Juggs with the same exact power that he hit Big G and Exitar with. This statement made by the writer contradicts 1. and thus forcing 2. to be the only option.
Also, since you like to speculate on things not mentioned or implied by writers, we can say that the hammer was reinforced better by the Celestial being who repaired it anew, thus making its durability greater than before it broke. Also, we can speculate that after using the Godblast against Big G and using other things afterward, Mjolnir was weakened so that when he used it against Exitar it broke. But again, that's just making stuff up.
Originally posted by zopzop
Proof you have ZERO clue what you are talking about.
"...even mighty Exitar is jostled by it..............but only for a moment!"
Exactly like Defalco said in Thor 412. Tom Defalco > You.Here it is hurling back Galactus exactly like it was stated in 412 too.
Defalco intended it to be the EXACT same blast that did the above. You don't like it but you don't have to like, you just have to accept what's stated on panel and move on.
****Funny side note, according to Marvel wikia Tom Defalco wrote BOTH instances of the Godblast (the one used vs Exitar and the one used vs Juggernaut), so if he said it's the same.............it's the same.
If that is the case , then he also "intended" the Mjolnir used on Juggernaut to be more durable than the reinforced version used against Exitar . I don't see this to be the case .
Show me on-panel evidence regarding this(that Mjolnir's durability was amped post-Exitar) , and my stance for this thread will change .
