Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
As I explained, Luke has been known to restrain himself or extend mercy to enemies who pose tremendous threats, including Caedus.
Luke only restrained himself there because Ben snapped him out of it with his bloodlust and Luke got cold feet.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
I didn't realize this signature had you so butthurt. 😬
Don't expect Nice Nephthys when we debate. Belittling my opponent and their argument is a tried and true tactic!
Originally posted by ares834
First, where is it said that the duel lasted only a few seconds? I hope you aren't talking about the number of panels they are notorious for not giving a fair time frame. Consider the Vader/Kenobi duel in RotS. In the movie it strechs on for a long time, but in the comic it's only a few pages.
Not really. He outdueled Palps at the end of DE. Sure, some may say Leia was using BM, however in the audio book the duel is from Leia's perspective and nothing hints at her using it.
Edit: Oh, and they were dueling so fast Leia could hardly see them.
Read the Stats in the OP - it has the answers.
Nephthys
Luke only restrained himself there because Ben snapped him out of it with his bloodlust and Luke got cold feet.
And?
Luke lost control and snapped out of it, preferring to let Caedus escape and threaten lives on a galactic scale with his madness. Not terribly heroic, but such is his fear.
Nephthys
Don't expect Nice Nephthys when we debate. Belittling my opponent and their argument is a tried and true tactic!
My argument is extremely well founded and more reasonable than the idea of Desann and Kyle Katarn, neophytes in the Jedi arts, being superior combatants to someone whose natural Force talents exceed theirs and who has trained far longer. Besides, the whole "speculation and circumstantial evidence" line can be such a double edged sword, can't it? 313
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
And?
Luke lost control and snapped out of it, preferring to let Caedus escape and threaten lives on a galactic scale with his madness. Not terribly heroic, but such is his fear.
With all due respect - if Desann had gained the power of the Valley of the Jedi - he would have become invincable.
That would mean the certain destruction of the galaxy and the Dark side taking over everything.
All those things go more directly against what Luke believes - and they threaten the family he loves so much.
He didn't try to turn back Desann during the duel either.
He literally had no reason to not kill, or at least mercifully knock out Desann, if it were within his abilities.
Well if we are going to low ball and not take into consideration other factors...
DoE Bane was defeated by a few mercenaries and an untrained force-sensative.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Read the Stats in the OP - it has the answers.
I've argued against both the panel=seconds and Leia boosting Luke. You're move.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
With all due respect - if Desann had gained the power of the Valley of the Jedi - he would have become invincable.That would mean the certain destruction of the galaxy and the Dark side taking over everything.
All those things go more directly against what Luke believes - and they threaten the family he loves so much.
He didn't try to turn back Desann during the duel either.
He literally had no reason to not kill, or at least mercifully knock out Desann, if it were within his abilities.
Caedus tortured Luke's son, murdered his wife, and threatened to kill Jedi children and still Luke let him walk. I'm not defending the rationality of Luke's decision, I'm explaining to you that his stubborn habit of extending mercy and eschewing aggression since his tenure as the Emperor's apprentice is something that has transcended multiple books and authors across decades of in-universe time.
Likewise, with all due respect, there is no reason to believe that Desann or Kyle are superior combatants to Luke when they lack his power and training.
Luke.
Learned his lesson in fights with Palpatine.
No Master and Padawan relationship, therefore no restraint.
Bane is without Obralisk.
Battlemaster, try harder. 😉
By the way. In actual fight with Jacen Luke went all out on him. He recklessly tried to make instant kill. Only after Jacen was knifed on the floor, Luke refrained from killing him for fear of son learning bad example.