Well, since you did bring some evidence to the table I will entertain your argument.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
And you still don't realize I was talking about Leia using Battle Meditation during the duel - which she used.Your lack of understanding of basic concepts suggests that you and your friend may have a future together at a Day Care Center, playing with blocks. 😆
Proof? Her quote in the Dark Empire audio drama is pretty damning on the subject. It makes it clear she hasn't been helping Luke throughout the fight. Meanwhile, your “evidence” involves a panel with Leia glowing blue. Now normally, that might mean something but unfortunately this comic makes almost every character glow at times.
Are we to believe that Chewbacca, Han, and C3PO are all able to utilize battle meditation? Of course not. Basically the glowing is nothing more than the sub-par art. This is further reinforced by the fact that when we actually do see Leia using BM she is not glowing.
Now even if you wish to debate whether this is artistic license or not I will point out that the audiobook is a newer source than the comic and generally the newer source overwrites the older.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
You mean, you? 😛 😆
Clever...
Originally posted by Battlemaster
I guess you'll be disagreeing with Canon, an ex-Leia BM Naysayer (DARTH POWER) and some of the best Debators in this forum.Go ahead and retire - and move on to something that requires less mental strength. 😆
While I will not disagree with canon material I will disagree with DP and other debaters if I believe them to be wrong. In fact, claiming I am wrong for disagreeing with them is a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum.
Edit: Ah, seems I was beaten to the punch by Zamp.
Originally posted by Pwned
The only defense you have is "Plot said otherwise! LUL!"? Seriously? Thats how your saying it.
At least I can say things without a waterfall of drool cascading down my face. 😆
Originally posted by Pwned
Oh, and unless you get me the panel where Leia uses BM during Luke's fight with Sidious, then you are just saying the same thing, no matter that you have no basis of support. I don't care who said what, I want to see the proof (as my copy of DE was long ago lost. Moving :/ )
Again, I'll ask your Predecessor, when I see him. 😉
Originally posted by Pwned
It was attacked to a bare minimum.
That's still more than Luke's connection was attacked. 😊
Originally posted by Pwned
And again, Plot said Luke can't kill him there. Otherwise Desann would have died pretty early. Plus, Luke isn't the sort of guy to go "I am so powerful, I can take anybody down." No, he doesn't think he can take Desann down when he could. Its a no brainer.
Irrelevant.
Luke's ego doesn't come into this - about the Universe; this is about an evil Dark Jedi whose goal is to harness all of the power of the Valley and could kill trillions very quickly.
If Luke knocks him out and keeps him from the Valley - the galaxy can survive.
If Luke can't defeat him, even in a non-lethal way, then Desann has the potential to get the Valley's power - and then it becomes a job for someone who can defeat him.
Originally posted by Pwned
I will look up the time frame for JKO, I am not quite sure on the year.
12 ABY.
Originally posted by Pwned
So, didn't want to read it?
Ironically, I had a copy some time ago - a copy I lifted from someone's house while they were moving.
Sadly, that copy was eaten by my dog. 😛
So I've no copy to read, currently.
Originally posted by Pwned
Get me hard proof, not one one person says.
Hey, are you calling DARTH POWER a liar? 😉
Originally posted by Pwned
Desann had access to the Valley, he walked into it. So whatever you say, he didn't claim the power. Seriously, at least look up the material you are "debating"
I have, Dumbass. Why don't you? 😆
Jerec had been in the proccess of absorbing all the power of the Valley, when he was cut from it and killed.
Like Jerec, Desasnn still needed a small window of time to capture all the power - and Kyle managed to catch up to him in the nick of time.
Originally posted by Pwned
Your debate hinges on "Luke "lost" one fight fair and square so he can never win"
I have no clue why you are so biased against Luke. Besides, I already said Bane wins.
Luke is essentially a Gary Stu now, and all his fights before the NJO books were won out of luck.
Before NJO, and even during the first couple books, Luke still sucked.
Originally posted by Pwned
Or go read some Star Wars. You mayenjoy it.
You should go read some books on proper writing - that way your sentences don't run onto each other. 😛
And yes, you may enjoy Star Wars - it seems like a fresh and very new breathtaking Universe for you - have you watched the movies, yet? 😄
Originally posted by ares834
Well, since you did bring some evidence to the table I will entertain your argument.
Proof? Her quote in the Dark Empire audio drama is pretty damning on the subject. It makes it clear she hasn't been helping Luke throughout the fight. Meanwhile, your “evidence” involves a panel with Leia glowing blue. Now normally, that might mean something but unfortunately this comic makes almost every character glow at times.Are we to believe that Chewbacca, Han, and C3PO are all able to utilize battle meditation? Of course not. Basically the glowing is nothing more than the sub-par art. This is further reinforced by the fact that when we actually do see Leia using BM she is not glowing.
Now even if you wish to debate whether this is artistic license or not I will point out that the audiobook is a newer source than the comic and generally the newer source overwrites the older.
Well, you may have something.
Post the quote from the radio-drama, and let's see that picture of her using BM later on in the comic.
You could be right.
Originally posted by ares834
Clever...
It's not difficult with some of you guys. 😛
Originally posted by ares834
While I will not disagree with canon material I will disagree with DP and other debaters if I believe them to be wrong. In fact, claiming I am wrong for disagreeing with them is a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. Edit: Ah, seems I was beaten to the punch by Zamp.
Ut est spucatum tauri. 😛
But in any case, we'll see what DP says when we see him.
*Sigh* I say one thing and get dragged into a "debate" about how powerful Luke is.....
Battlemaster, he had time to infuse at least 50 people with the power of the Valley. He had time in order to claim it all for himself, but he did not. Tell me, what would be the point of the experiments Hethrir was having him do if he could claim the pwoer your saying he could?
And at this point, your just name calling. Seriously, you don't refute a single point without just saying the same thing you have been. I am growing bored of attempting to show you why your wrong, and will therefore throw my hands above my head and yell, "DONE!" out of boredom. Just go read the other peoples post and you will see why you lost.
Originally posted by Pwned
*Sigh* I say one thing and get dragged into a "debate" about how powerful Luke is.....
Battlemaster, he had time to infuse at least 50 people with the power of the Valley. He had time in order to claim it all for himself, but he did not. Tell me, what would be the point of the experiments Hethrir was having him do if he could claim the pwoer your saying he could?
And at this point, your just name calling. Seriously, you don't refute a single point without just saying the same thing you have been. I am growing bored of attempting to show you why your wrong, and will therefore throw my hands above my head and yell, "DONE!" out of boredom. Just go read the other peoples post and you will see why you lost.
Why do I get the feeling, when you threw your hands in the air and yelled, "DONE!", it sounded like, "DAWWRWWRRNNN..!"
Down Syndrome's a b*tch, I guess.
But seriously, there's a reason Rahn warned Kyle about the Valley and it's power - play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II - you'll see what I mean.
Also, gaining the full power of the Valley takes time, and there is a particular location needed to access it.
And Hethrir was also obsessed with making sure a second Imperium would come about, and wasn't all-knowing about the Force, hence his need for research, and he likely didn't understand the scope of the Valley's power as the Jedi Master Qu Rahn, had.
The Valley is dangerous. Accessing it's full power in the way Rahn described leads to a being becoming invincible and having the ability to terminate star systems in a whisper.
Luke's fight with Desann was a sort of point of no-return for him - and he was lucky that Kyle had the skill and ability to defeat Desann and caught up to him before his plans were complete.
(Yavin 4 Academy, After Desann's Defeat)
(A throng of students gathers at the landing-platform. Kyle claps a hand on Luke's shoulder)
Luke: "Kyle, I can't thank you enough for your help. The New Republic owes you a debt of gratitude."
Kyle: "Luke, I was happy to help - and hey, Desann's just lucky he didn't have to fight you at the end, I mean, you could have taken him back at the hangar bay, right?"
Luke: (Awkward silence; dozens of eager young students look at Luke with bright gazes)
"....I....yessssss.."
(Everyone shares a hearty laugh)
End.
😆
Originally posted by Nephthys
I get the feeling that Ush is extra special pissed at him. Not that I can blame him considering the smack talk DS was bringing.
I must have totally missed all that. I know DS can be rough around the edges, but I can't remember the last time he pissed somebody off that badly.
Nice bagging on peopel with mental disabilities, though no, I do not have one. But seriously, thats just not cool.
Also, a force push then collapsing rubble on somebody does not equal "I am more powerful!" It equals what Dooku pulled at the end of AOTC
I can tell you don't like me. So why don't you go scamper off and plot how to stop acting like a second grader with a vocabulary?
Originally posted by Pwned
Nice bagging on peopel with mental disabilities, though no, I do not have one. But seriously, thats just not cool.
That doesn't help your case much.
Originally posted by Pwned
Also, a force push then collapsing rubble on somebody does not equal "I am more powerful!" It equals what Dooku pulled at the end of AOTC
Yeah, I watched it again - Luke actually grunted from the sheer pressure of Desann overpowering his TK (or because Luke was too slow to be able to ground the energy) and then Desann simply tossed his saber - done.
Too bad Luke wasn't able to quickly lift the debris off to carry on the fight. My guess is either he couldn't, or wouldn't.
Ah well, good thing Kyle was close by.
He saved the Universe that day.
Originally posted by Pwned
I can tell you don't like me.
I like you just fine and I'll be gentle in the future. kisses
Originally posted by Pwned
So why don't you go scamper off and plot how to stop acting like a second grader with a vocabulary?
- and if you promise to go scamper off and plot on how to come up with better comebacks, I'll conisder it. 😛