Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Maxima, convincingly. She has the physical stats to contend with Juggs and also has TK and TP.
She may can win with TP but not sure she would try to fight him. Her physical stats are irrelevant since they are not enough to damage Juggs.
So with the insight you gave she can possibly win with TP. But not sure she will go that route though. Maybe. Is the removal of Juggs helmet in order to use TP on him common knowledge?
Jean's TK is miniscule compared to Maxima's.
She can certainly pick him up and toss him around like a ragdoll unless he already has gained momentum from charging.
But TK isn't going to do squat against him anyways. The only way Maxima can put him down is to get his helmet off.
Short of that, BFR is her only answer to him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Maxima, convincingly. She has the physical stats to contend with Juggs and also has TK and TP.
Originally posted by KingD19
Can't get through his force field to touch the helmet though. (He'd keep it on the whole time during a forum fight)
This is actually proof that a lot of the time Juggs isn't written without a forcefield. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been physically removed all those times.
Originally posted by KingD19I hate that the force-field is the automatic 'go-to' in classic Juggernaut threads. You could probably count the amount of comics in which the FF has been mentioned/portrayed, on one hand. Hell, even in the classic days it was hardly referenced/used--Nimrod removing Juggy's helmet with a casual backhand is proof enough of that.
Just about every time his helmet's been removed, his force field's been down(like against Thor), or he just wasn't written with it.
Maxi's huge speed advantage would by proxy give her time to launch several unanswered passes/assaults, or whatever else she might want to do. After all they both know of the others abilities. She should win, but Cain is fast enough in the reaction time dept. to grab her if she did not instantly yank his helmet off, and it turned into a slug fest. Was there ever a time that Black Tom thought to fashion a face mask for Cain?
Cain would most assuredly win this, if the BFR option were to be removed, and his design were tweaked (face mask made of the magic repelling sources that his helmet are made of). In a real world setting I'd say that Maxima, has far more advantages.
Originally posted by nwg202
Maxima. rips his helmet of then mindrape. So was the juggs that fought wwhulk at classic levels? He didn't seem to have a forcefield. How many times has jugs actually used a forcefield? I have seen the helmet get ripped off to many times...
If we take Juggernaut at his best, he wore a face mask that made it rather difficult to use TP against him. He had redundancy.