Classic Juggernaut vs Maxima

if she can get the helmet off she wins. if not, he does, eventually. she is extremely durable in general though and near kal's strength range so IF he's stronger, it sure ain't by much..... she also has her ferrokinetic abilities which should make it easier for her to remove the helmet. if she gets the helmet off, i don't see the facemask being an issue for too long....

If Maxima knew about Juggernauts weakness to mental attacks, she would beat him 10 / 10, as shes definately strong enough to rip off his helmet and then mentally assault him. Heck, she could even use her TK to remove the helmet, and her TP to then beat him, not even needing to go anywhere near him. Thats if she knew, being that she wont shell engage him HTH and probably only use her mental attacks as a last resort, Id say still giving her a 5.5 / 10 win over Cain in the end.

i often wonder if the tp thing is 'common knowledge'. sometimes it seems to be, other times it doesn't. she's pretty sharp. even if she doesn't know, she might say to herself--why the hell does this guy need a helmet....? maybe.

Well, if Maxima was from Marvel, Id say theres definately a chance that shell know, but being from DC, she wouldnt know anything about Juggernaut, and not having that info will hurt her greatly (meaning shell really have to work for a win, over her beating him cleanly and easily)

hmm, i could be wrong, but i thought that traditionally, common knowledge extended across universes. least that's the way i generally view common knowledge... 😕

Er, first time I heard that. Not saying its not true here on this forum, if so I had no idea, but I always took these as unless the thread mod stated otherwise, characters from different universes wouldnt know anything about one another.

Originally posted by DTM
Er, first time I heard that. Not saying its not true here on this forum, if so I had no idea, but I always took these as unless the thread mod stated otherwise, characters from different universes wouldnt know anything about one another.

Naw everyone knows what would be common knowledge in their respective universes here. Anything beyond that depends on the characters own experience with them or others.

Oh, OK, first time Ive heard that, but if thats forum rules, so be it. If thats the case, Maxima beats Juggernaut easily.

Even if Juggernaut can stop the TP, he's not hitting Maxima unless she allows it.

Might be a stalemate.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Naw everyone knows what would be common knowledge in their respective universes here. Anything beyond that depends on the characters own experience with them or others.

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and about the stalemate--i don't really see it, least not if she fights in character. she could avoid him by going magneto-lite on him, but i don't see her using her speed to dodge and hit, or her flight to stay out of reach. she'd brawl if her metal control failed to take off the helmet imo.

I agree. Maxima does like a good slugfest.

She's in character when she uses her speed too.

For her to not use her speed in a forum fight, would mean she would literally have to sit there and wait and allow Juggernaut to land a blow--which would be saying that 'in-character' she is literally retarded.

Juggernaut can only hit her if she sits there and allows him to.

She can get into a fisticuffs, which she loves, and still avoid getting hit. It would be easy.

^guess it depends on what you mean by using her speed. she is not wonder woman, and certainly not kal in terms of combat speed. i could see a blitz initially, but really anything more than that is not something she does regularly--least not to my knowledge. she could fly around, but she would need to come to him at some point, and i def don't see this as a battle where juggs couldn't make contact. i don't think max has any feats or battles that would support such a strategy, though i'd love to see them if you do.

The in character thing goes a bit out the window if she knows about Juggernauts powers, abilities and weaknesses. Sure knowing this she MAY still engage him physically, but when that isnt working shell just fly beyond Cains range, TK his helmet off and TP him to unconsciousness. There is virtually no way Maxima can or will lose this is the has full info on Juggernaut.

i'm not fully sold on the idea she could just tk his helmet off. the x-crew have had some uber tk people, and no one that i can recall has ever tk'd the helmet off. this is all assuming he doesn't have his force field in play. if he does, she really can't do anything to him. but it's pretty rare when he does manifest it.

No, but theres been plenty of times when Class 50-75 strength level beings like Rogue and Colossus have ripped it off, Im of the mindset that Maximas TK is in that power range. From memory, the XMen dont normally have TKers of that level of power, sans Phoenix.

fair enough, and maybe you're right, just haven't seen it. if that failed, then her magnetic powers might work--or a combination of the 2....

Originally posted by DTM
No, but theres been plenty of times when Class 50-75 strength level beings like Rogue and Colossus have ripped it off, Im of the mindset that Maximas TK is in that power range. From memory, the XMen dont normally have TKers of that level of power, sans Phoenix.

Her TK is pretty uber.

Juggernaut. Seriously.

I feel as if many people are forgetting something crucial here; Although Maxima has speed over Cain, she would have to make physical contact. This is where she would be slowed down. Classic Juggernaut possessed a field that absorbed the energy of impacts, whether they be of matter or energy. Maxima would blitz Juggernaut, but it will be difficult to stop him from swinging at the same time. None of her hits would be effective against him. She would neither stagger him, or be able to stun him based on his past durability stunts. If he had on the face mask, she would not be able to win if BFR was off.