Captain America vs Spiderman (h2h)

Spidey has numerous feats that are at least in the 50-ton range. As always, handbook levels are nearly meaningless.

Speed and reflexes should not be a contest at all. Pete is arguably the most agile person in comic-dom, and his reaction and spider-sense feats trump anyone outside of speedsters and heralds.

The only things Cap has going for him are A. skill and B. their Civil War head-to-head matchup (which was inconclusive). And I'll remind everyone that Pete has kung-fu MA skill now, so the skill edge would still be with Cap, but the gap is considerably smaller than it once was.

Basically, I don't see a way to argue for Cap winning here. At best for him, it's a tough fight. At worst, he loses soundly.

Originally posted by Digi
Spidey has numerous feats that are at least in the 50-ton range. As always, handbook levels are nearly meaningless.

Speed and reflexes should not be a contest at all. Pete is arguably the most agile person in comic-dom, and his reaction and spider-sense feats trump anyone outside of speedsters and heralds.

The only things Cap has going for him are A. skill and B. their Civil War head-to-head matchup (which was inconclusive). And I'll remind everyone that Pete has kung-fu MA skill now, so the skill edge would still be with Cap, but the gap is considerably smaller than it once was.

Basically, I don't see a way to argue for Cap winning here. At best for him, it's a tough fight. At worst, he loses soundly.

Bugboy gets smacked around again.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Bugboy gets smacked around again.

- Use thumbnails
- That was before he knew Kung-Fu
- See my earlier post (top of this page). It's mountain vs. molehill in terms of feats. But Cap wins if you're only looking at the molehill. Or if you value an inconclusive H2H with heavy context over, well, everything else.

Parker wins more times than not in both scenarios. Cap will close the gap a little with the Sgield but still Spidey

I remember the fight ended with Cap bleeding and Spider-Man taking away his shield.

Originally posted by Digi
Spidey has numerous feats that are at least in the 50-ton range. As always, handbook levels are nearly meaningless.

I'm sure he does but he doesn't hit with class 50 strength. If that were the case he would take off Morbius or Alyosha Kravinoff's head off with a punch.

Originally posted by Digi

Speed and reflexes should not be a contest at all. Pete is arguably the most agile person in comic-dom, and his reaction and spider-sense feats trump anyone outside of speedsters and heralds.

You might have to prove that. Spiderman is considered to be the most agile but alot of street levelers have similar feats. You should know this.

Originally posted by Digi

The only things Cap has going for him are A. skill and B. their Civil War head-to-head matchup (which was inconclusive). And I'll remind everyone that Pete has kung-fu MA skill now, so the skill edge would still be with Cap, but the gap is considerably smaller than it once was.

It was inconclusive because Spiderman had mechanical claws. Otherwise it would have been a straight beatdown.

Originally posted by Digi

Basically, I don't see a way to argue for Cap winning here. At best for him, it's a tough fight. At worst, he loses soundly.

If you can prove he has the kung fu skillset you got a point.

Originally posted by Digi
- Use thumbnails
- That was before he knew Kung-Fu
- See my earlier post (top of this page). It's mountain vs. molehill in terms of feats. But Cap wins if you're only looking at the molehill. Or if you value an inconclusive H2H with heavy context over, well, everything else.

Before kung fu maybe but wasn`t he also amped at the time?

Also it was hardly unconclusive, Cap whupped Parker`s butt pretty bad. Unless you think putting a minor scratch with the suprise of mech arms in return somehow balances it.

Not the first time Bugboy kisses Cap`s fist by the way.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
I remember the fight ended with Cap bleeding and Spider-Man taking away his shield.

That was part of Cap plan, no read the fight again. He was bleeding because he had mechanical claws, which he doesn't have anymore...also he was upgraded.

Originally posted by Digi
- Use thumbnails
- That was before he knew Kung-Fu
- See my earlier post (top of this page). It's mountain vs. molehill in terms of feats. But Cap wins if you're only looking at the molehill. Or if you value an inconclusive H2H with heavy context over, well, everything else.

That true but Spiderman was upgraded and had tech. So you could still argue he gets stomped.

Couldn't care less.

Fact remains that Cap lost his only weapon, and that he was bleeding.

Spider-Man was just fine.

And for some reason, he never used his web. Don't ask me why. Last but not least, he worships Cap, he was like "Oh no not Cap, I don't want to fight him..."

Can't say he gave all he got, and still he made him bleed and took away his weapon. Not a bad feat at all.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm sure he does but he doesn't hit with class 50 strength. If that were the case he would take off Morbius or Alyosha Kravinoff's head off with a punch.

Spidey pulls his punches even against numerous villains. This has been referenced many times. It's why he doesn't punch heads off every time he's breaking up an armed robbery or something.

Class 50 is Class 50. I'm not saying that's where he is necessarily, but again, he has numerous feats that are at least that impressive. We could even lowball it and cut it in half to 25, and he's still about 10x more than where most people put Cap.

Originally posted by Deadline
You might have to prove that. Spiderman is considered to be the most agile but alot of street levelers have similar feats. You should know this.

They have good feats, true. Great ones, even. Pete's best reaction feats are better than any MA'er you could name though. And it's his norm, not his high-end. Agility is literally his thing.

Prove it? How, by scan-spamming his respect thread into this thread? Take two clicks and compare for yourself.

Originally posted by Deadline
It was inconclusive because Spiderman had mechanical claws. Otherwise it would have been a straight beatdown.

Speculative. Also, I never said that wasn't a point for Cap. It is, and I stated it in my post. If it was all we had, we would say Cap wins. However, it is not all we have. And, in fact, flies in the face of their feat history. If you want to value that 1 comic (again, inconclusive) over their collective history, cool. However, I don't.

Originally posted by Deadline
If you can prove he has the kung fu skillset you got a point.

Uh...he does. There. I dun' proved it.

Does anyone doubt this? They spent an entire story arc painstakingly explaining his MA training and showing it in action. How am I supposed to prove it? Read Spider-Island and the build-up to it. There's your proof.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Couldn't care less.

You don't care about facts, ok got it.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Fact remains that Cap lost his only weapon, and that he was bleeding.

Spider-Man was just fine.

Obvoulsy the fact he was bleeding was because Spiderman used a weapon that he doesn't have in this thread and stated on panel that he used it because Cap hadn't planed for it is irrelevant.

No he wasn't Cap hit him with a nerve strike that made his legs numb.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

And for some reason, he never used his web.

Yes he did.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Don't ask me why. Last but not least, he worships Cap, he was like "Oh no not Cap, I don't want to fight him..."

Yes and obvoulsy Cap loves beating on somebody who he stated he deeply respects and he knows doesn't really want to fight.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Can't say he gave all he got, and still he made him bleed and took away his weapon. Not a bad feat at all.

Neither did Cap, context.

Since when does Cap hold back ? And why ? Any reason to think that ?

Spider-Man is known for holding back, that's part of who he is. Cap ? Not so much, he always gives everything he has.

Originally posted by Digi
Spidey pulls his punches even against numerous villains. This has been referenced many times. It's why he doesn't punch heads off every time he's breaking up an armed robbery or something.

Yes we know that, that doesn't mean he pulls his punches against people with legit superhuman durability.

Originally posted by Digi

Class 50 is Class 50. I'm not saying that's where he is necessarily, but again, he has numerous feats that are at least that impressive. We could even lowball it and cut it in half to 25, and he's still about 10x more than where most people put Cap.

He doesn't pull punches when hes fighting people with with superhuman durability. A bloodlusted Spiderman fought Aloysha Kravinoff and didn't kill him.

Originally posted by Digi

They have good feats, true. Great ones, even. Pete's best reaction feats are better than any MA'er you could name though. And it's his norm, not his high-end. Agility is literally his thing.

Nah you don't say. I've read a crapload of Spiderman comics as well and there isn't much between them.

Originally posted by Digi

Prove it? How, by scan-spamming his respect thread into this thread? Take two clicks and compare for yourself.

I don't need to I've read loads of Spiderman comics and seen the respect thread.

Originally posted by Digi

Speculative. Also, I never said that wasn't a point for Cap. It is, and I stated it in my post. If it was all we had, we would say Cap wins. However, it is not all we have.

O really? Lets see if I can get this straight Spiderman didn't land one punch and at the end of the fight his legs were numb because of a nerve strike. The only reason why he got hit was because of his mechanical claws and not his fighting skills. Ok if I'm speculating what are you doing, because I could even argue based on on panel feats you can't even prove that Spiderman is faster.

Originally posted by Digi

Uh...he does. There. I dun' proved it.

Does anyone doubt this? They spent an entire story arc painstakingly explaining his MA training and showing it is action. How am I supposed to prove it? Read Spider-Island and the build-up to it. There's your proof.

Thats all you need to say. Heres the problem Cap knows kung fu and has mastered it. Unfortunately the most rational explanation is that it will throw Cap for a loop t first and then he'll adapt.

Spider-Man can move faster then they can see and has spider-sense and agility far beyong caps agility. Spider-Man broke a chain holding a wrecking ball a wrecking ball weighting 3 tons and twirled it over his head at like Thor twirls his hammer oh did I metion it weight 3 tons. What Spider-Man can lift with one arm would crush Captain America. It has been stated in Marvel Universe that Spider-Man's tendons are so tight that a normal man would break their hands if they hit Spider-Man I know Captain America is peak to low level superhuman but it should still help Peter in a fight

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Since when does Cap hold back ? And why ? Any reason to think that ?

Spider-Man is known for holding back, that's part of who he is. Cap ? Not so much, he always gives everything he has.

B-because Spiderman is a friend he deeply respects and he knew he didn't want to fight. Do you really need me to elaborate on this? Hell Cap didn't try to chop his head off or go for a death nerve strike did he?

Of course Cap holds back, it depends on the circumstance of course.

Originally posted by Deadline
Hell Cap didn't try to chop his head off or go for a death nerve strike did he?

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yeah like he always does 🙄

I don't know, maybe you think you have a point.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know, maybe you think you have a point.

And he will never, never, never kill somebody like Spider-Man, he respects him too much.

So don't give me that "Spider-Man was lucky Cap didn't go for a death nerve strike."

Few points about the CW fight.

1. Spidey is used to fighting at less than a quarter of his full strength. He doesn't even go full strength against villains. Cap is a soldier who has gone all out plenty of times. Let's consider his actions in AvX for a second. Cap is much more likely to put it all on the table and start talking with his fists than spidey.

2. Spidey idolizes cap and continued to do so in his head even as they fought.

3. Spidey was still unsure if he was fighting on the right side.

To give cap the win id have to envision the absolute best cap Vs an average to low-end spidey. If both cap and spidey are fighting at their best... Cap should honestly get smoked.