Captain America vs Spiderman (h2h)

Yeah, that fight is the only reason anyone backing Cap has a leg to stand on, and it was so laden with context from the angst-ridden Pete that we can't really draw a conclusion from it. Why people can't understand that, in comics, emotions play an absurdly significant role in fights, is beyond me. If I had a nickel for every time Pete shuffles his feet around awkwardly, gets beat up, then takes the kid gloves off the 2nd time around and absolutely destroys a supposedly equal or superior opponent...I'd have at least a few dozen nickels.

And if their fight corroborated the other evidence we had, it wouldn't be a big deal. But it contradicts literally everything else we know about the characters.

Originally posted by Deadline
It's like you're trying to argue that Spiderman is so powerful that Cap can't handle him, he's not Superman. The only big difference is strength and it doesn't mean anything if he can't hit him.

Oh and it's not a jobber aura if hes been doing stuff like that his whole entire superhero career. Thats just you not liking what happens on panel. I guess Hulk doesn't have class 100 strength which gets stonger the angrier he gets.

Ok don't know about that. I kinda see what you mean. Cap strength limit should be 2 tons but you really could argue that it goes into 3, but I think that would be going too far...but you could argue it.

Cap holding up the wreckage of a skyscraper over his head.

Why is Spiderman so much stronger exactly?

It doesn't show up in fights, and even in pure feat comparisons, Spiderman would not have an easy win.

Why do they have cap do stuff that he shouldn't be able to do

I think the problem is that people see that peak human label assigned to Cap and assume that he should only be in that range and everything he does out of that range is PIS or something he shouldn't do....

Only problem is that Cap's been consistently superhuman for decades.

Originally posted by CosmicComet

Cap holding up the wreckage of a skyscraper over his head.

Why is Spiderman so much stronger exactly?

It doesn't show up in fights, and even in pure feat comparisons, Spiderman would not have an easy win.

WOuldn't that be more of a feat from the shield? Cap's strong yeah, but holding up hundreds of tons of stone, metal and other types of rubble is crap, even for him.

The way I see it, either it's PIS, or the shield absorbed all the energy impacted from the stuff falling on it, and now Cap just has to brace.

It doesn't make sense either way.

Maybe, not a bad way to look at it.

That is what I got from it, but it is still an absurdly high feat. I sort of like it.

To be honest Cap is sort of retarded lol. IMO If Cap can tank his chestmail exploding on him he can tank most of what Parker can dish out.

Originally posted by CosmicComet

Cap holding up the wreckage of a skyscraper over his head.

Why is Spiderman so much stronger exactly?

It doesn't show up in fights, and even in pure feat comparisons, Spiderman would not have an easy win.

That's just debris with unquantifiable weight. It could be just several parts of the building that was levelled not the whole building itself.

he also supported the whole daily bugle with the whole building and him shown in panel.

However in comics, there's has to be a few people who can exceed cap's jobbing aura (squirrel girl comes to mind) and spidey is not one of them.

Cap wins.

Yeah, that bubble Cap's in is almost certainly not bearing the full weight of the building on him. That's not even trying to apply real-world physics to comics, it's just common sense.

Probably a good feat, but it's honestly unquantifiable.

Spider-man 9-10/10

Spiderman.

Originally posted by Digi
Spidey pulls his punches even against numerous villains. This has been referenced many times. It's why he doesn't punch heads off every time he's breaking up an armed robbery or something.

And look at what happened when he lost his cool against Sin Eater. He basically crippled him, and when he later confronted him, he couldn't handle what he did.. He actually jumped out the window, he was so traumatized by it.

Originally posted by Digi
Spidey has numerous feats that are at least in the 50-ton range. As always, handbook levels are nearly meaningless.

Speed and reflexes should not be a contest at all. Pete is arguably the most agile person in comic-dom, and his reaction and spider-sense feats trump anyone outside of speedsters and heralds.

The only things Cap has going for him are A. skill and B. their Civil War head-to-head matchup (which was inconclusive). And I'll remind everyone that Pete has kung-fu MA skill now, so the skill edge would still be with Cap, but the gap is considerably smaller than it once was.

Basically, I don't see a way to argue for Cap winning here. At best for him, it's a tough fight. At worst, he loses soundly.

Could not have said it better myself. Spidey wins.

Originally posted by golem370
Why do they have cap do stuff that he shouldn't be able to do

Exactly !!! when Captain America beat Warpath so easily, I gave up on marvel, the unbeatable jobber aura they put on Cap is beyond all reason. it makes him uninspiring.

Warpath is near class 100, superhuman (way past peak human) speed, agility, stamina, and senses. He has extensive warrior skills and the experience to use it effectively, there is no sane reason Cap should have beat him.

and the same would go for Spiderman, even is Spidey did not have his newfound MA skills, he has ben Spiderman for years. and I refuse to belive the same man who beat Titana (class95) and totally humilated the X-Men during the Secret War (and he was barly an adult at the time) could not beat Captian America in a straight 1 on 1 fight.

Originally posted by complexbrother
Exactly !!! when Captain America beat Warpath so easily, I gave up on marvel, the unbeatable jobber aura they put on Cap is beyond all reason. it makes him uninspiring.

Warpath is near class 100, superhuman (way past peak human) speed, agility, stamina, and senses. He has extensive warrior skills and the experience to use it effectively, there is no sane reason Cap should have beat him.

and the same would go for Spiderman, even is Spidey did not have his newfound MA skills, he has ben Spiderman for years. and I refuse to belive the same man who beat Titana (class95) and totally humilated the X-Men during the Secret War (and he was barly an adult at the time) could not beat Captian America in a straight 1 on 1 fight.

Funny you should reference Secret Wars. That SM vs. X-Men fight is exhibit A for why individual head-to-head matchups in comics can't be the "end all" argument in fights. I tend to avoid it when talking about Spidey. For one, it's not needed with all his other showings, and two, it was bad writing for the X-Men even given the mitigating circumstances the writer placed the X-Men in. So while the gap is much closer between, say, Spidey and Wolverine, I consider that encounter just as relevant as the CW Spidey/Cap dust-up when considering an outcome (i.e. not relevant at all).

But Titania's just a laborious brick who can be put down with enough punishment. Pete should compete with her, barring wildly unfavorable circumstances.

Spidey.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Few points about the CW fight.

1. Spidey is used to fighting at less than a quarter of his full strength. He doesn't even go full strength against villains. Cap is a soldier who has gone all out plenty of times. Let's consider his actions in AvX for a second. Cap is much more likely to put it all on the table and start talking with his fists than spidey.

2. Spidey idolizes cap and continued to do so in his head even as they fought.

3. Spidey was still unsure if he was fighting on the right side.

To give cap the win id have to envision the absolute best cap Vs an average to low-end spidey. If both cap and spidey are fighting at their best... Cap should honestly get smoked.

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, that fight is the only reason anyone backing Cap has a leg to stand on, and it was so laden with context from the angst-ridden Pete that we can't really draw a conclusion from it. Why people can't understand that, in comics, emotions play an absurdly significant role in fights, is beyond me. If I had a nickel for every time Pete shuffles his feet around awkwardly, gets beat up, then takes the kid gloves off the 2nd time around and absolutely destroys a supposedly equal or superior opponent...I'd have at least a few dozen nickels.

And if their fight corroborated the other evidence we had, it wouldn't be a big deal. But it contradicts literally everything else we know about the characters.

No need to get touchy, I just don't put much stock in that fight when Spidey has done WAY better things than Cap across the board feat-wise (outside of skill, but I've covered that). It's not being disrespectful to Cap, nor ignorant of his feats, to say he's considerably slower and weaker than SM.

If Pete were brainwashed to think Cap was Red Skull in that fight, I think he'd still get stunned early, but would then let loose and rock the **** out of him.