Kal-L Vs Kingdom Come Superman

Kal-L wins.

Isn't Kal-L a pre Crisis Kryptonian? If so, how is this not spite vs KC Superman?

Kal-L is heavy on feats with his long history.

KC Superman not so much of course.

Still, there's their relative comparisons to New Earth Superman, in which both SEEMED to be superior. But, honestly, KC Superman's claim for being superior to New Earth Superman seems less concrete. Ok, he no sold a punch from Hercules whereas New Earth Superman got a busted nose from a back elbow, but KC Superman also braced for the punch. Besides that, that's just one aspect; durability. Is it really viable to try to extrapolate that for every other aspect?

Originally posted by zopzop
Isn't Kal-L a pre Crisis Kryptonian? If so, how is this not spite vs KC Superman?

It is spite

Kal-L wins, he held his own against PC Supoerman and PC Ultraman these two alone would b***h slap KC Superman back to his own universe. This is spite, to say other wise is just trolling

If we're using PC feats, a younger Kal-L gave a decent fight to PC Captain Marvel. He lost, but Cap was wincing in pain afterwards.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes Quan, there is a reason why they could not do this in the past.

Before IC there was no multiverse boundaries to shatter and this was meant to be an all out fight between the two of them to save their own universe.

Dismissing evidence? Kal-L feats are still canon for him.

I chalk that up to some shock value for KC Superman, after all I remember both KC SM and Kal-El with standing a blast that opened hyper time and IIRC Kal-l performed better vs Doomsday than NE Superman. They are not entirely equal.

Yes, relevant but ignored when we take a look at how he is portrayed post crisis like all pre crisis showings.

Yes, but under Johns the difference wasn't close due to the showings I have already been over. Kc Superman is just on another level.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He was stronger.

He held the advantage during their fight, he broke out of Wonderwoman's lasso, when they fought Doomsday Superman was knocked back easily, but Kal-L stopped Doom's fist with one hand.

Kal-L was stronger.

Also, KC Superman is being overrated. He's from an alternate universe. Aka, not actually relevant to mainstream Superman. Meaning: Him being said to be stronger than he was when he was younger means jack shit.

They fought one on one so if he was stronger it wasn't that big of a gap for him to be able to best Ne while going all out initially.

Kc Superman was in the mainstream universe. You're just unaware of his showings.

Originally posted by cdtm If we're using PC feats, a younger Kal-L gave a decent fight to PC Captain Marvel. He lost, but Cap was wincing in pain afterwards.

yeah, we are using any and all feats. ill go with Kal-L as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither guy beat the other before they stopped. Like I said reality was in flux hence the reason it was damaged.

Yes, relevant but ignored when we take a look at how he is portrayed post crisis like all pre crisis showings.

Yes, but under Johns the difference wasn't close due to the showings I have already been over. Kc Superman is just on another level.

Kal-L was going all out and wasn't that impressive imo. Grabbing a car and ramming it into Superman is supposed to do what, exactly ? Ne Superman was holding back and despite Kal-L raging he didn't best him.

They fought one on one so if he was stronger it wasn't that big of a gap for him to be able to best Ne while going all out initially.

Kc Superman was in the mainstream universe. You're just unaware of his showings.

I'm at the point where i can never tell if you're serious or just trolling nowadays.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm at the point where i can never tell if you're serious or just trolling nowadays.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am serious but which part has you pondering this.

Oh, it's the entire post.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, it's the entire post.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who do you feel comes out on top out of say Ne Superman, Kal-L, and Earth 22 Superman ?

Kal-L, probably.

Kingdom Come isn't at quite the level people proclaim him to be, tbh. It's like when All Star showed up and everyone proclaimed him better than NE Superman, when he really wasn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Kal-L, probably.

Kingdom Come isn't at quite the level people proclaim him to be, tbh. It's like when All Star showed up and everyone proclaimed him better than NE Superman, when he really wasn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I actually give Kc the nod over both and Ne the nod over Kal-L.

And with that, I return to my earlier statement:

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm at the point where i can never tell if you're serious or just trolling nowadays.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And with that, I return to my earlier statement:

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you create a thread in most places you'll see I am not alone in saying Kc Superman beats Kal-L or Ne Superman.

Alone? Probably not; this is KMC. In the minority? Yes, probably.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you create a thread in most places you'll see I am not alone in saying Kc Superman beats Kal-L or Ne Superman.

That is called "Appealing to popularity"

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kal-L was going all out and wasn't that impressive imo. Grabbing a car and ramming it into Superman is supposed to do what, exactly ? Ne Superman was holding back and despite Kal-L raging he didn't best him.

They fought one on one so if he was stronger it wasn't that big of a gap for him to be able to best Ne while going all out initially.

Kc Superman was in the mainstream universe. You're just unaware of his showings.

Name his showings.