Originally posted by -Pr-
Kal-L, probably.Kingdom Come isn't at quite the level people proclaim him to be, tbh. It's like when All Star showed up and everyone proclaimed him better than NE Superman, when he really wasn't.
Yeah, and it was all based on him lifting that weight that was like a quintillion billion tons or something (whatever it was). Yet most people don't realize regular Superman has dozens of strength feats that blow that out of the water.
Originally posted by -Pr-My point was in no means am I alone in my thoughts on this matter.
Alone? Probably not; this is KMC. In the minority? Yes, probably.
Originally posted by biensalsaNo, I won't ever debate by saying simply the majority agrees but the only reason I brought it up is to demonstrate it isn't a radical opinion by any means.
That is called "Appealing to popularity"
Originally posted by NemeBroThe fight ended in a stalemate. It wasn't domination by any stretch of the word. The DD thing was a few panels in which both easily bested Doomsday.
He dominated NE Superman. He then broke WW's lasso. His showing against Doomsday was then much more impressive. All in one story.Name his showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point was in no means am I alone in my thoughts on this matter. No, I won't ever debate by saying simply the majority agrees but the only reason I brought it up is to demonstrate it isn't a radical opinion by any means.The fight ended in a stalemate. It wasn't domination by any stretch of the word. The DD thing was a few panels in which both easily bested Doomsday.
Not saying much, tbh.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point was in no means am I alone in my thoughts on this matter. No, I won't ever debate by saying simply the majority agrees but the only reason I brought it up is to demonstrate it isn't a radical opinion by any means.
There is nothing wrong with having a radical point of view as long as You have the evidence to back it up.
In this case evidence points at Kal-L having better chances of winning than KC Superman.
Originally posted by NemeBroSuperman also aided in defeating DD. Ne and Kal-L were in an extended fight in which Kal-L went all out and it still ended in a stalemate.
Yes it was, and Superman was easily smacked away by Doomsday.Name KC Superman's showings that make him stronger.
Originally posted by -Pr-I am saying that supporting Kingdom Come Superman in this matchup isn't that radical of an opinion.
Not saying much, tbh.
Originally posted by biensalsaNot really. Earth 22 showed how far back he could send Superman flying while Kal-L didn't send him anywhere near as far back when he went all out.
There is nothing wrong with having a radical point of view as long as You have the evidence to back it up.In this case evidence points at Kal-L having better chances of winning than KC Superman.
Earth 22's senses also seemed superior as does his time in the sun.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said that but Kal-L went after him right out of the gate. He didn't really do much to Ne Superman despite initially getting all nuts.
What? the car lifting?
You know that was just a homage to Action Comics 1 right?
And the battle started building up to the point of shattering the boundaries of time and space.
I have to respect your point of view, IF you think KC SM will win, but I happen to be collecting feats for Kal-L and He has pretty impressive stuff, not on the grade of Earth 1 Silver Age Superman, but decent enough for me to gauge this two and believe Kal-L will win in here.
Originally posted by biensalsaYes, that's fine I am saying he still went all out. Time and space were in a fragile state due to Alexander Luthor's manipulation of reality.
What? the car lifting?You know that was just a homage to Action Comics 1 right?
And the battle started building up to the point of shattering the boundaries of time and space.
I have to respect your point of view, IF you think KC SM will win, but I happen to be collecting feats for Kal-L and He has pretty impressive stuff, not on the grade of Earth 1 Silver Age Superman, but decent enough for me to gauge this two and believe Kal-L will win in here.
I don't gauge this stuff by feats as it simply doesn't add up. You are free to believe feats are more important than I do. I mainly gauge in this instance by peer to peer comparison.
You know how our Lucifer willpower debate was closed. Would you be interested in a battlezone in which you argued Lucifer never exhibited free will outside the Presence while I'd argue he clearly did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that's fine I am saying he still went all out. Time and space were in a fragile state due to Alexander Luthor's manipulation of reality.I don't gauge this stuff by feats as it simply doesn't add up. You are free to believe feats are more important than I do. I mainly gauge in this instance by peer to peer comparison.
You know how our Lucifer willpower debate was closed. Would you be interested in a battlezone in which you argued Lucifer never exhibited free will outside the Presence while I'd argue he clearly did.
That is fine. I just happen to be very busy at times.
Today I got kind of half day off, but I'm usually very busy.
I'm new to battlezone I have never done it before, but it could be interesting.
If We do it with out time constrain but limit the number of post I think I could do it.
Originally posted by biensalsaA battlezone is a one on one debate with judges who decide who wins. It would be a short and sweet battlezone. I've never debated based off an issue before I have always done a straight battle.
That is fine. I just happen to be very busy at times.Today I got kind of half day off, but I'm usually very busy.
I'm new to battlezone I have never done it before, but it could be interesting.
If We do it with out time constrain but limit the number of post I think I could do it.
Just to get this straight though. You believe everything Lucifer did wasn't outside the Presence's will ? Correct ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
A battlezone is a one on one debate with judges who decide who wins. It would be a short and sweet battlezone. I've never debated based off an issue before I have always done a straight battle.Just to get this straight though. You believe everything Lucifer did wasn't outside the Presence's will ? Correct ?
I believe most of the things he did were under the influence of the presence's will
And then He cut the knot loose so he could find his own pat, but cutting the knot was the will of the presence.
As everything is already designed by the creator
Originally posted by biensalsaYes, most of the things he did were known to the Presence but his will broke free from the plan. That's my point.
I believe most of the things he did were under the influence of the presence's willAnd then He cut the knot loose so he could find his own pat, but cutting the knot was the will of the presence.
As everything is already designed by the creator
Yes, the presence has always been powerful enough to prevent Lucifer from doing so but the fact he escaped his own function proves his will was undeniable.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
@biensalsaWho has the edge in stats?
Strength
Speed
Intelligence
durability
Feats wise Kal-L has the edge in every aspect
I just got a feat of him outlasting Mr Mxyzptlk on an air blowing contest.
Mr Mxyzptlk just gave up. and So far I'm only up to 1946 where feats haven't started to go all crazy yet.
Even if I were try to gauge KC Superman vs Superman, I have to consider neither Superman is going all out like in the fight of IC.
And like many mentioned before, I just don't know where does people gets the idea of KC being far superior unless context is not taken into account.